Well, this is obviously NOT a Dobe, as there are many Dobes with Sch.III, and IPO.III in the world!

I would question Alex if you have done any type of motivational work in obedience, or did you just start with corretions? Prey drive is a "big" deal if you want really nice upbeat obedience routines, and also makes the foundation in bitework much more pleasant for the dog.

And finally, I just gotta say, it is no big deal for a 'trainer' to force a weak "cowardly pissy" dog through a BH, or even get it to bite for that matter! Has this 'trainer' ever trained and titled a strong, confident dog?

Alex, reading your post I see no reason why the breed shouldn't be told. You have asked good sound questions. You may get the answers you seek from someone with similar breed.

Have faith in these board members!!

There is a time and place for the e-collar and there is a time to pay $26 dollars toll. Id get a knew trainer before he helps you to screw your dog up even more.You dont "teach" your dog to heel with an e-collar.It actually takes skill something your trainer sounds like he doesnt have to much of. If you dont have another trainer I think you would be better off buying a tape and doing it yourself!!

This is funny. Alex asks questions. Gets answers from people who train dogs ALL the time. Says he likes his trainer. Then why even ask? Apparently your trainers word is God, so ask him why your dog is afraid of the training field? Sounds like unfair corrections to me. The dog got confused. WOOOO HOOO a pissy dog passed a BH. Thats something to brag about. The BH is supposed to weed out the pissy ones. Not be able to brag about getting it to pass. Stick with your trainer. Forget us folk here.
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"DARN"

Okay, now you've got me curious. I don't think your choice of breed will attract criticism as you're not trying to say your dog's the world's greatest working dog and the next winner of the Schutzhund championships. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Definitely not a Rott. Can't be a lab because there are SchIII labs. A Golden? A Great Dane?

Dei.

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Originally posted by Alex Artemenko:

I doubt there's any living representative of this breed that passed SchHII. I heard some do OK in IPO. I will not say what the breed is, after I read the Dobermann related discussion a while back.

In the past I have put Schutzhund titles and IPO titles on my dogs (Dobermanns, by the way) and there were only really slight differences in the routines. So why could your mystery breed not pass a Schutzhund trial but do OK in IPO. It's basically the same thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Cindy, I don't think it's so much about being secretive but about Alex being ROUGHED up by the Discussion Board members. There have been post recently where the poster took offense to comments directed to her. :rolleyes:

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Haven't had a shock collar on me. I do get a lot of treats after training. Hot coffee, maybe a donut. Depends on what I do during our session. My trainer is a real hard case. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

And generate traffic it did.

This trainer helped me with the agression problem, where others could not. A remote advice was not helping, tapes, nothing. I am bad at training dogs on my own".". (that was a period) He's also a nice guy, personable. I really do not know whether he trained any hard sharp dogs. Mine is not one. His own dog is quite amazing, it has SchH III under some famous German judge, gotten in Germany, it retrieves coins, etc.. He trained the dog himself. He somewhat specializes in weak nerved dogs, since that's what we tend to have here. He trains in drive and by compulsion. He does not do food. Reward is verbal, pet or a ball. If you read Ed's articles, that's pretty much the method. He practically quotes them, though I am not sure he've heard of Ed or his articles. E-collar was his idea. He uses it for everything in obed.

I did get quite a bit of Heeling exercises after the incident with food and without any corrections. She got a little better right at the Heel. She's fine otherwise.
All I want from her is a BH and some bite-work. I used the example of that weak dog to show that he overcame a similar problem at least on one occasion, very recently. The reason that I asked the Q. is that I question everything, and never trust anybody. And changing an instructor is not an issue in itself. Finding one is.

The difference between SchH and IPO is that it is practiced more or less in different regions of the world. I asked around and that was the answer. And no I will not tell the breed, because it's not going to help. Very few people have them, 1 in a 100 of those works them. I know most who may read this board.

Ooooh, forgot. It's 20-21 month old.