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Re: Hmmm...another Bogus Book?
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#62134 - 04/28/2003 12:35 PM |
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You could look at it like this...
If you are a trainer, professional or not, and you are happy with the results you produce then no, you probably don't want to spend the money...if you, however, are not happy with the results you have recieved from other books or trainers (my case) then you may want to invest in it. It is, while a little pricey, a better option to me than a group obedience class or any other book I have read and I know a few "professional" trainers that ought to read it...
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Re: Hmmm...another Bogus Book?
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#62135 - 04/28/2003 12:45 PM |
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I have to admit, while his ad is very much like an infomercial, I do find that a lot of his claims are true. I went through SEVERAL trainers before I met one who taught me anything that worked.... and his book is less than I paid for those classes. No, maybe he isn't the only one out there that is giving that information away, but I doubt he is selling snake oil....
(and I have and use the George Forman grill all the time for chicken for my salads) it was a gift <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> It does work as stated, but it is a little more difficult to clean then they make it seem... still it was a decent product...
My point is, without reading this guys book, I can't see slamming him. There ARE a lot of trainers that are not good at what they do. That isn't news...
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#62136 - 04/28/2003 12:58 PM |
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Hmm...guess we all should start charging $25 for answering questions here...that is his charge for an E mail consultation.
And folks, really...if you are making $ 80 K training dogs( his claim), would you really stop it and start selling books/tapes? I am always amazed at how many people that claim to have become rich doing something feel the need to sell their idea as an infomercial.
And Jacob, I bash many things that I wouldn't waste my money on....it's called common sense- if there was more of it in the word, there would be less con men. If something sounds fishy or is too good to be true, it is.
And I go to *alot* of trainers sites....truthfully, I'm not seeing advertisement on those that anywhere matches this guys site.
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#62137 - 04/28/2003 01:05 PM |
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Hmm...guess we all should start charging $25 for answering questions here...that is his charge for an E mail consultation.
oh...you get a certificate for 1 free email consult if you buy the book...
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#62138 - 04/28/2003 01:28 PM |
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Hehe...yep, with the amount of advice ( usually good advice, at that ) that we all give here at the forum, this place is a literal gold mine! Apparently, *none* of us read the proper books on how to market ourselves and we are forced to give away this information for no charge due to our ignorance.
However......the general public can come here and ask questions and gets many different trainers replies here. Sounds like a deal to me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Hmmm...another Bogus Book?
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#62139 - 04/28/2003 01:31 PM |
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Will: And Jacob, I bash many things that I wouldn't waste my money on....it's called common sense
Jacob: so set up your own website with your own hard earned money and bash it from there. Don't waste Ed's hard earned money and webspace by doing it here for free.
Whats worse selling crap on your own website. Or saying crapy things about other pro's on someone else's dime.
Jacob
I'm done, So close this topic please.
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Re: Hmmm...another Bogus Book?
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#62140 - 04/28/2003 01:32 PM |
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WHOA... 
*looks at her total number of posts*
I think I am in for some serious backpay... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
At any rate guys, I don't see reason to bash this guy on a public board. There are PLENTY of books out there that aren't worth the money, and this may or may not be one of them depending on who you ask. Good DOG, have you all looked at the price of college textbooks? That my dear is a TRUE rip off. I am lucky if I can spend less than $700 a semester and I try to buy used when possible! Then magically,16 weeks later, they are only worth about $100 in the same condition they were in when I bought them...
Waste of my perfectly good dog money...
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#62141 - 04/28/2003 01:32 PM |
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I agree his sales pitch smacks of infomercial. Though irritating it must be a sales tactic that works. He is not a radical trainer though people always assume they know more then others therefore another’s method must lack solid structure and effectiveness.
Lets keep in context the realities of this country with millions and millions of dog owners and even if we were a part of a discussion forum of 30,000 members we would only be scratching the surface of what is out there.
I do not know Adam personally nor have I read his book. Perhaps we can discuss his methods as he describes them on his website and offer opinions about them as to why they are wrong or right.
It is easy to say one person’s ideas a methods suck, it is it is harder to justify why in debate. It is on this ground the knotweeds and the knowledgeable are separated while progressively being educated. This is true for both sides. I feel a good discussion forum should debate methods so why not his?
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Re: Hmmm...another Bogus Book?
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#62142 - 04/28/2003 01:53 PM |
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Jacob,
If Ed has a problem with a thread, he closes it. Thanks for babysittiing him tho, I don't know how he managed to keep this site going without your advice. Hmmm...aren't you doing the same thing that you accused me of? Wasting Ed's bandwidth?
Hypocrites come in all shades.
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#62143 - 04/28/2003 02:21 PM |
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Will: If Ed has a problem with a thread, he closes it. Thanks for babysittiing him tho, I don't know how he managed to keep this site going without your advice.
Jacob: Cut the crap already.
Will: Hmmm...aren't you doing the same thing that you accused me of? Wasting Ed's bandwidth?
Jacob: No! I didn't start the thread! YOU DID!
I merely came to the defence of a respected PRO DOG TRAINER, Pro business man and all around good guy. You started the thread you started from line one the bashing (without merit) and you keep the crap flying. If you had a web site and then I bashed then yes,,, I would be a hypocrite, but since you don't I will not bash. But I will come to the defence of any friend or aquintance who is judged unfairly.
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