Yes, of course the German bred dogs will be at the top of the German BSP. They are also at the top of the WUSV. Imagine that, German bred dogs dominating the German dogsport?

The Czech dogs didn't compete at any level till just a handful of years ago for reasons of isolation. That is slowly changing as more Czech dogs are filtering into the major sport scene. The DDR dogs had their own competitions in the DDR and have been mixing with the BDR dogs for a longer period of time. Besides, compared to the BDR dogs the DDR dogs are not well represented in the BSP or WUSV either.

There are many quality dogs out of the Czech bloodlines that are in top level competition, just not anything compared to the BDR. And frankly I think that the BDR dogs are better overall for the sport. Years and years of genetic selection for one specific goal gets you dogs that are highly specialized and very good at what they are bred for.

The Czech dogs have been removed from this breeding and have gone in a slightly different direction. I like to think that the isolation has kept some traits that have been lost in a lot of the BDR bloodlines. Sharpness, hardness, balanced drives, social aggression, etc. Those things are good, and make them prime candidates for police service and protection work. They also have (generally) not developed the genetic grip to the extent that you see in the good BDR bloodines. . .and that is what hurts a lot of them in competition.

These are my opinions and experiences.

Look at the results of the WUSV and you will see a good handful of Czech dogs competing at very high levels.

A few names of the top of my head are Art z Lipin and Grim z Pohranicni Straze.

The Czech dogs have been well represented at the Police dog championships as well.

Leon wrote: "VC Robert: How can you explain then, that not a lot of Chech's are in the top competitors??? Mostly are DDR's
Am I right?!?!?"


And this comment I don't understand, even though I tried to answer it. Why was this comment directed at me??


I said I (as in me, myself, and I) find more of the traits I like in the Czech dogs.

VC- Most of the PSD vendors I've talked to in the last few months are importing Czeck dogs, a growing number are also importing dogs from Hungary. What's your take on the Hungarian lines vs. the Czeck lines?

I'm going to agree with VanCamp here ( big surprise <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) about the Czech dogs being better candidates for law enforcement work and the DDR dogs having a higher potential for sport work. A 30 plus year seperation from the WGR gene pool, coupled with selective breeding, has changed the Eastern Block dogs for the better, in my opinion.

Although I still think that there are many dogs of merit in Belgium, currently - most of the WGR dogs just don't light my fire.

I also see from my personal observations, that the current dogs being brought over from Slovakia ( ?sp ) are very much like the old DDR dogs that first started filtering over to this country - and that's a good thing. They have a little less bone than those old East German dogs, but they're not as handler sensitive, so that's a good trade off.

And Leon, you're spelling is fine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Glad you're now in a time that offers greater freedom to the residents of the fomer Communist block countries. The state of the German Sheperd Dog improved with the fall of the iron curtain, for sure!

Grubb, vendors importing dogs from one country instead of another almost always has more to do with price and availability than working ability. The availability part is helped by the type of dog the Czechs/Slovaks and Hungarians breed, but isn't even close to a deciding factor.

If BDR dogs were less expesive we would see them being imported by vendors.


When we were in Hungary the working kennels we visited used primarily Czech bloodlines. That was some years back, things could be changing as SchH is more popular and other bloodlines are being introduced.

The hungarian lines that you speak about are the German lines and also some 1/2 german, 1/2 Czech lines.

Sue, would you say there is such a thing as a dedicated "Hungarian" bloodline?

Robert,

From what I have seen (limited at this time):

More on the show side (MEOE) are the Hungarian "lines". Most of the dogs that are competing in SCH and for the Regionals/World teams are the German lines (MNJK). Starting to see more of the Czech lines come in due to proximity of the countries and the strength of some of the breeding programs in Czech and starting to emerge in Slovakia. We have two young males now that are 1/2 Czech and 1/2 German lines that are from Hungary. (yes, Cindy we are still at 5..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> )

Need to go back and look at what is competing and breeding there...

Now now now. I don't understand what all the hub bub is about. We all KNOW that the Czech dogs are the best. Geesh...was that really hard... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

As far as a list of the top Czech competitors there was a discussion on that a while back. Go to the Czech section and do a search. There was probably about 30 dogs mentioned.