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#63221 - 08/07/2003 02:52 PM |
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My take on it, Richard, is that you don't have to have a GSD; you just have to be a member of the GSDCA with a qualifying score.
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Re: AKC WDS
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#63222 - 08/07/2003 08:00 PM |
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Renee, why so adversarius?
I just happen to think that a sporting dog should conform to working dog requirements and not the other way around. To require a dog to have a Schutzhund title in order to compete is, in my humble opinion, silly.
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Re: AKC WDS
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#63223 - 08/07/2003 08:41 PM |
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Russell,
It is a demonstration Schutzhund compition. The goal is to make sure they have well trained dogs competing so they don't look bad. Got to impress all those matriarchs that don't think biting sports should be allowed.
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Re: AKC WDS
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#63224 - 08/07/2003 10:16 PM |
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Russell, if my position struck you as adversary, it's probably cause that's how I felt at the moment. It comes and goes. In my vocabulary "PC" means "personal computer".
So let me ask you, this time with a big <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> : what are "working dog requirements" and how would you incorporate them into a trial? Please, I'm really at a loss here.
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#63225 - 08/08/2003 02:32 AM |
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I wouldn't pretend to be qualified to say. However it is universally known that Shutzhund is a sport. There's nothing wrong with Shutzhund. I just think a working dog title should be based on true working dog merits and not a dog sport, whether it be Schutzhund or anything else. Just my opinon. But I understand they have to start somewhere. I just hope they'll change the requirement that the dog must be titled in Schutzhund. Again, just my humble opinon. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: AKC WDS
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#63226 - 08/08/2003 05:13 AM |
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Russel wrote: "To require a dog to have a Schutzhund title in order to compete is, in my humble opinion, silly. ***** I just hope they'll change the requirement that the dog must be titled in Schutzhund. Again, just my humble opinon."
You don't seem to understand. The AKC working dog program IS Schutzhund. Look on Ed's site and see the rules. . .they are Schutzhund rules, in a Schutzhund competition. They have just not chosen to call it Schutzhund.
That IS the AKC "working dog" program, so of course a SchH title is going to be required. Or you could work through their levels instead. . .
Either way I think they did that for a good reason.
My guess is to eliminate the dirtbag protection trainers and their poorly trained, or abused, fear biters that may "look" like real hard core working dogs to the untrained eye, but are certainly not.
What did you think it was going to be like?
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#63227 - 08/08/2003 10:09 AM |
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Say, um, Russell...
You wouldn't be, by any chance, parroting the viewpoint of a certain organization called "Dogmen" and/or "Baden K9," would you?
Because 1) I can guarantee you that we've all been down this road about 100 million times on this web board; and
2) If that is indeed the case, Ed Frawley and/or the list moderators are going to have you shot in the public square in the very near future.
If you're bored and you really want to see the endless attempts board members have made to argue the case of Schutzhund/KNPV/Ring-titled dogs versus "REAL working dogs" (tongue firmly in my cheek here), there are dozens of threads in the board archives where you can do just that.
Cheerio.
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#63228 - 08/08/2003 10:48 AM |
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My take on it, Richard, is that you don't have to have a GSD; you just have to be a member of the GSDCA with a qualifying score.
mmm...but could I assume a Doberman handler just needs to be a member of DPCA?
http://205.170.2.143/DPCRMA/index.html
(click on "schutzhund trial entry" on the menu list)
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#63229 - 08/08/2003 05:09 PM |
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Different trial than mentioned earlier, but same principle. The date and location are different.
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#63230 - 08/08/2003 06:07 PM |
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Robert, nice explanation. Thanks for taking the time to fill me in. I guess I had hoped/thought it would be something different/better than Schutzhund. For some reason I'm being accused of being anti-Schutzhund, and nothing could be further from the truth. It's obviously a great sport and evaluating tool. I just think there could be something better. Then again, there will probably never be universal agreement on this anyway, right?
Peter, so everybody who doesn't believe Schutzhund is the greatest thing in the working dog world is "parroting" the view of Baden/dogmen? It seems to me that those who don't share your view are attacked and villified and called communists, er, I mean Baden supporters. But why stop there Peter? Why not tell everyone I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll? You want to squelch and silence those who share a different view. Why can't we discuss something without it getting nasty? It's not like I've propagated some heinous act. I've simply expressed a different opinion.
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