Uh-Oh, now you've done it!

Ed has an article about this, check out the table of contents and look for it. BIG BIG difference...... If you want an American GSD, get off the board while its still early <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Now Now, We have enough love for both kinds. I have 2 German Shepherds, 1 an American (short hair, black & Tan Black Saddle) GSD that I Purchased and 1 working GSD (red Sable, long haired) I love them both 2 totally different dogs. Greta My working dog has the big head and paws strong like a bull, Simba is my American GSD Real RIN TIN TIN LOOKING but I love them both.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS SOME ARTICLE. Thank god I found this site. I have a German Shepherd that I purchased from Yuppie Puppy in port jeff, ny LET ME SAY NEVER AGAIN I PAYED $1300 FOR HER!!! I love her to death but next time I think I know where to go. I did not know the difference between German & American Thank you for refering me to the article. Knowledge is power!!

This is just a question, if the majority of sable dogs are of working bred or sport, why is it that the majority of Police GSD are saddle bag black/tan or Black/red Checz dogs?

I know that working dogs can come in any color, but if the working line is predominately sable why is it that we see this.

What is the connection between the GSD and the Dutch shepherd. I've notice that the Sable looks like a DS, sorta.

I'm not trying to be nasty here but it is not called "saddle bag". (That is something that you use on a horse.) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

The DS is NOT sable. They are actually Brindle. ( They have stripes.)

And a lot (Notice I didn't saw "all".) of the police K9s that are black and red/tan are NOT "working lines". They are German Show lines. Same with the Czech dogs. A lot of the "newer" black and red/tan Czech dogs have German Showline dogs VERY close up in their pedigree, (They also have the "looks" of the showline dogs). Sure they have Czech papers. But look at the names of the dogs in the first 2 generations.

Tracy thanks for clearing up the definition of black and tan ect... Marking. The term saddle bag is a generic term menaing black marking alone the side of the dog, that common in some of the dogs. Trying not to be too technical we use a term that general refers to the GSD's with these marking.

The DS comes in various colors brindle is just one.

I wasn't questioning the origin of the Black&red/tan Czech dog it could be any working line, I was making a statement that most of the GSD here in my city are of that color. This is not good or bad obviously they can do the work or they wouldn't have made the grade.

This is red neck a&$ kicking country, when they send these dogs in to break up bar fights, they have to be for real.

Four - Five Officers are in trouble in a situation like this, one dog and the place is cleared, in minutes. Subjects race to the scout car to get in and away from the dog. Some of these dogs cost $25k plus ask the 5 officer if they think hes worth it. You will get a resounding "Yes, every damn cent". Show dog or not.

Which to me is not the issue can he do the work is and there are working lines that throw saddle bag GSDs.

Sorry for using that terminology but others understand the image that I'm painting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Originally posted by Don B. Ackerson:
The term saddle bag is a generic term menaing black marking alone the side of the dog, that common in some of the dogs.

Actually "saddle bag" is a bastardization, misinterpretation, or someone just can't hear right of one of two different terms meaning almost the same thing (and yes, saddle bags are something you put on a horse or motorcycle...not dogs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ). Saddle BACK, meaning the dog has a black portion that looks like a saddle. Blanket back, meaning the dog has a lot of black on it's body.

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The DS comes in various colors brindle is just one.

What other colors have you seen a DS be? I've only seen Brindle, some darker, some lighter, some with silver stripes, some with gold stripes, but all were Brindle none-the-less.

Tracy thanks for clearing up the definition of black and tan ect... Marking. The term saddle bag is a generic term menaing black marking alone the side of the dog, that common in some of the dogs. Trying not to be too technical we use a term that general refers to the GSD's with these marking.

The DS comes in various colors of brindle.

I wasn't questioning the origin of the Black&red/tan Czech dog it could be any working line, I was making a statement that most of the GSD here in my city are of that color. This is not good or bad obviously they can do the work or they wouldn't have made the grade.

This is red neck a&$ kicking country, when they send these dogs in to break up bar fights, they have to be for real.

Four - Five Officers are in trouble in a situation like this, one dog and the place is cleared, in minutes. Subjects race to the scout car to get in and away from the dog. Some of these dogs cost $25k plus ask the 5 officer if they think hes worth it. You will get a resounding "Yes, every damn cent". Show dog or not.

Which to me is not the issue can he do the work is and there are working lines that throw saddle bag GSDs.

Sorry for using that terminology but others understand the image that I'm painting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Originally posted by Don B. Ackerson:
Tracy thanks for clearing up the definition of black and tan ect... Marking. The term saddle bag is a generic term menaing black marking alone the side of the dog, that common in some of the dogs. Trying not to be too technical we use a term that general refers to the GSD's with these marking.

The DS comes in various colors brindle is just one.

I wasn't questioning the origin of the Black&red/tan Czech dog it could be any working line, I was making a statement that most of the GSD here in my city are of that color. This is not good or bad obviously they can do the work or they wouldn't have made the grade.

This is red neck a&$ kicking country, when they send these dogs in to break up bar fights, they have to be for real.

Four - Five Officers are in trouble in a situation like this, one dog and the place is cleared, in minutes. Subjects race to the scout car to get in and away from the dog. Some of these dogs cost $25k plus ask the 5 officer if they think hes worth it. You will get a resounding "Yes, every damn cent". Show dog or not.

Which to me is not the issue can he do the work is and there are working lines that throw saddle bag GSDs.

Sorry for using that terminology but others understand the image that I'm painting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well "saddle bag" must be a VERY generic term. Everyone else I know calls it Saddle BACK. (or Blanket BACK.)

What other colors do the DS come in then? As I have only ever seen them in Brindle.

As to my explanation on WHY the dogs are black and tan, this is what YOU said.

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This is just a question, if the majority of sable dogs are of working bred or sport, why is it that the majority of Police GSD are saddle bag black/tan or Black/red Checz dogs?

I know that working dogs can come in any color, but if the working line is predominately sable why is it that we see this.

And I answered you. You asked "if the working line is predominately sable, why are the dogs that you see black and tan." And I said, a lot of the black and tan dogs are NOT working line dogs. That is why they are that color.
And I was not bashing the "show line" dogs. If they can do the work great. They are STILL "SHOW" line dogs not "working" line dogs. Hence the reason that some of then have the black and red color.

By the way, I am fully aware that there are working line dogs that are black and tan. (From what I have seen, they also tend to be black and TAN not black and RED ( or should I say "orange". Tough the orange color can be "helped along" by what they are fed.)

Anyway, in my first post I was just trying to answer the questions you posted. But, now I am starting to think you were just being "wise" with your questions about the black and tans/reds and not looking for an answer.