inexperienced dog ---> inexperienced helper = bad idea.
Rule of thumb: the least experienced dog requires the most experienced helper. The least experienced helper requires the most experienced dog, preferably retired <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> .
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Being able to see exactly whats going on would be helpful. But I dont think I need to see it to be able to say that you are ahead of yourself. I think you need to go back to the post and work on the dogs bite. Doing all the things on the post that needs to be done, there are several of them.There are lots of things you can do even after you get the dog off the post before you start sending her all over the field taking bites. I also think I maybe wouldnt worry alot about showing alot of threat with the stick until the bite was looking alot better.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
I might add that when working with an experienced handler/helper trained by Wendell Nope, the bites have not been an issue. Also, when working with that helper the stick is nearly always used, and the dog thrives. I don't know the stick is causing any adverse reaction, if anything it is enhancing the bite in the end. I may be a little ahead of myself, but I think only in a sense that I am allowing the bites with a green helper. I do much of the foundation work myself, as I do not have the luxery of having an experienced helper around except once every few months. When doing that work, the bites are full, determined, etc.
I am thinking that I should work on leash with the green helper, if I am working the bite, or post her.
From what I could tell the dog was not closing her eyes. It appeared that the presentation was awkward to her.
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That is where seeing whats goin on is helpful. Did the dog seemed motivated by stick action up close or near you? When the dog is father way on its own the stick may rob some of the dogs confidence, but I havent seen it, but anyway. If you have an unexperienced helper and you are determined to get some bite work in anyway then you should work on the bite with the dog on a post. I say post because if you are using an inexperienced helper it makes it easier for him to concentrate on sleeve presentation if he knows exactly where the dog will be when it can bite. Also with a new helper you could advance to doing just stop catches. Nothing to fancy but still good bite work for the dog. Once again though if the dog isnt having problems with the stick there is no need to over do it because for one thing that gives the new helper something else to try and do when he needs to be able to think about sleeve presentation and the catch.
Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
The dog is far more motivated when some type of physical threat is added, whether it be stick, whip, etc. I think I will work with the post, or a stop and catch the next time around.
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