Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65455 - 04/06/2004 12:50 PM |
Administrator
Reg: 07-11-2001
Posts: 2112
Loc:
Offline |
|
The thing about the Brittney Spears sale is that the Spears family knows they got screwed. A month or so ago they bought a female pup from me at my normal price.
I will not repeat what their current head of security called the dog guy in CA who screwed them. But I can guarantee you that he is not going to be looking to the Speers family for a recommendation on where to go to buy personal protection dogs.
If we are lucky and the pup they got from me has good hips (I recommend a early preliminary x-ray) and the early training is done the way I show in my drive videos they will have a nice pup that can be used for whatever they wish. I kept a male back from this litter from Xando that I hope can be a future Leerburg Stud dog.
That's a lot of "IFs" but such is the case when anyone buys a puppy.
The moral of the story is “You can screw some of the people some of the time - but sooner or later it's going to catch up to you”. Just because people have a lot of money does not mean they can't step back and see when they have been had.
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65456 - 04/06/2004 01:53 PM |
Webboard User
Reg: 11-15-2002
Posts: 375
Loc:
Offline |
|
Only my openion, But I think if your going to talk about Rodriquez, you should do it under another title! He makes his living with dogs.
If your going to bad mouth him, which could hurt his income, you best be able to back it up, and with his accomphishments that would be pretty hard.
Ron
flyfsh77 |
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65457 - 04/06/2004 02:31 PM |
Moderator
Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline |
|
Well, here's one way of looking at it.
Mr. Rodriquez has an excellent resume for SchH, certainly unmatchable by any of us.
My future price for bodyguard dogs will be 15K, once myself and another trainer have determined the extent of the training program needed to produce dogs that will actually defend their owners in all circumstances. Very few people would ever need or desire such a dog - and we won't be able to produce more than four or six of these dogs a year. But the dogs will be the real thing.
Having said that, I think that 15 K for a showlines SchH dog which is being sold as a personal protection dog is 3 x what the dog is worth.
And a trainers impressive SchH accomplishments ( which Mr. Rodriquez certainly has ) is by no means an indicator of that trainers ability to train ( or even to import or provide ) a personal protection dog. I'd much rather see the list of dogs that a trainer has produced for police departments instead.
And that's only *my* opinion.
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65458 - 04/06/2004 03:11 PM |
Webboard User
Reg: 11-15-2002
Posts: 375
Loc:
Offline |
|
Will I agree with all you said. But everyone complaines about how much some one can get for a dog. More power to them. Maybe the owners will pay a little more attention to them. I just sold pups from my Bitch who is in comparison of schH scores a great bitch for $750, And I have a friend that sells NOTHING american breed starting at $2500 but who cares. It bothers me when Edd says the head of security said bad things about the trained dogs. So who is he? If he was worth his salt as a HEAD of security he should have done his home work before his client bought. I dont know Rodriquez but some of the problem could be the new handlers.
Ron
flyfsh77 |
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65459 - 04/06/2004 03:33 PM |
Webboard User
Reg: 01-05-2004
Posts: 27
Loc:
Offline |
|
Ron that is my thinking why bad mouth just for the sake of bad mouthing. Will RAMBEAU, do you think it is more difficult to train a police patrol dog or a v score schutzhund dog. If it was a life or death challenge to take on i would rather train the police patrol any time . No where near the precision that must be achieved in v score schutzhund. Now what if this fellow sends britney a sharp dog capable of pp and he bites from lack of control because no one in the oops i did it again mansion can handle the dog. I am sure this came into this guys mind when he sold the queen of pop the dog. When your fooling with this type of scenario can it ever be black and white. No because you do not learn how to work a civil dog in a week or a year. IT TAKES TIME.
Let the good Lord be the judge! |
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65460 - 04/06/2004 03:40 PM |
Moderator
Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline |
|
Wow, did Ron hit the nail square on the head when he said that the Head of Security should have done his home work!!
The trouble is, look at all what a non-dog person would have to review to buy a good dog. If they just visit web sites and forget that said web sites exists primarily to sell dogs, they're screwed. It could take literally weeks, if not months, of internet research to get a handle on just what a good personal protection dog really *is* , much less find one.
As I've said before, I think that the current field of PPD's for sale, or PPD training, is one of the biggest sources of fraud in the dog world today.
That, and the AKC Showline GSD's! :rolleyes:
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65461 - 04/06/2004 03:47 PM |
Moderator
Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline |
|
Peter,
Your statement is almost so foolish that I don't know how to respond to it. Sometimes I can't figure out if it's your language barrier or that you have no experience with dogs at all.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
A police canine is responsible for public safety, and the safety of it's handler and other members of the police force. Maybe it's different from where you come from.
A V rated SchH dog is competing in a sport.
Life or death, possibly. Versus a sport.
You figure it out. :rolleyes:
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65462 - 04/06/2004 03:48 PM |
Webboard User
Reg: 04-08-2002
Posts: 383
Loc:
Offline |
|
I agree with Will when he says that he thinks the it's a rip off to sell showlines at those prices. For a working dog person the showline is a rip off at any price. I also think it would be irresponsible for a trainer to sell a "real" PPD to a non-dog person at any price. I think most "protection dogs" that are purchased are not real by this boards standards and that's simply because the people that buy them for big money don't know that they really don't want that type of dog in their possession or couldn't handle it if they did. They dog would own them within a few days. If they had a real one, they would be complaining about the dogs strong charactor.
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65463 - 04/06/2004 03:50 PM |
Moderator
Reg: 01-25-2003
Posts: 5983
Loc: Idaho
Offline |
|
And since this post has drifted far from it's intended subject........closed.
|
Top
|
Re: Buyer beware part II.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#65464 - 04/06/2004 07:29 PM |
Administrator
Reg: 07-11-2001
Posts: 2112
Loc:
Offline |
|
Ron - lets get something straight here. I took Rodriquez name out of my post. But with that said - he screwed these people out of a lot of money. Thats a fact its not slander if its true.
The guy I dealt with was not part of the decision making process in dealing with Rodriquez - but he has nothing good to say about him.
The guy who arranged the sale did not even tell me who the buyer was until the dog was there. In fact we turned down selling him older dogs (Cindy;s dog Linck) because he would not tell us who the dogs were for.
Which was fine with me. He did his homework and ended up at my kennel. I am sure there are a number of places he could have gone and got a nice dog for the Spears.
I dont know Howie Rodriquez. I dont really care to know him. But I do know that when someone comes knocking on your door and tells you that they need a personal protection dog - you first determine their need. If you feel that it's bogus you walk away (I do that ALL the time)If you agree that they have a need you dont sell them a piece of shit show dog for $15,000.00 or $20,000.00.00 or $$30,000.00 (I did not ask what they paid - it's none of my business)
So get down off your stump and stop sticking up for some chump who screwed these people JUST BECAUSE HE MAKES HIS LIVING IN DOGS is not an excuse for anyone to screw people. What planet are you guys coming from? We are not talking about people selling a $750.00 puppy instead of a $2,500.00 puppy. We are talking about screwing someone who asked for a personal protection dog. I call it fraud - not good business and I will tell anyone who tries to justify screwing someone out of that much money to pull their head back out of their ass.
A lot of us make a very good living in dogs without FU#$&*( people !!! Now this thread is really closed !
|
Top
|
When purchasing any product from Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. it is understood
that any and all products sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. are sold in Dunn
County Wisconsin, USA. Any and all legal action taken against Leerburg Enterprises,
Inc. concerning the purchase or use of these products must take place in Dunn
County, Wisconsin. If customers do not agree with this policy they should not
purchase Leerburg Ent. Inc. products.
Dog Training is never without risk of injury. Do not use any of the products
sold by Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. without consulting a local professional.
The training methods shown in the Leerburg Ent. Inc. DVD’s are meant
to be used with a local instructor or trainer. Leerburg Enterprises, Inc. cannot
be held responsible for accidents or injuries to humans and/or animals.
Copyright 2010 Leerburg® Enterprises, Inc. All rights reserved. All photos and content on leerburg.com are part of a registered copyright owned by Leerburg Enterprise, Inc.
By accessing any information within Leerburg.com, you agree to abide by the
Leerburg.com Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.