I really hope you only posted these two sites to show how terrible "large" German Shepherds are when bred for that spacific reason. Breeders, though shouldn't be called that, should be ashamed of such dogs.
IMPO and whether anyone cares, these sites/breeders are aweful!
Sorry to post such harsh words.

I agree that the breeders of large shepherds really need to reconsider just what they're doing to the breed, but at least the dogs on that second page actually looked like German Shepherds. I don't know what the heck was up with the ones on that first page!

The SV has discussed the trend towards the GSD slowly increasing in size and made a motion ( I believe ) to strongly remind breeders to remain within the defined size spelled out in the breed standard. This was in Germany, of course.

In the U.S., idiots are free to breed GSD's towards a larger size, and hey, they don't have to work, so what's to stop them?
And moron's will line up to buy'em.
Great. Just great. :rolleyes:

Well i guess i am a moron but then again i guess we all have been a moron once or twice in our lives.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ....seems to me that u are being a little to harsh on the breeders of the larger breed shephard's and the show line breeders...when I went to buy my puppy he was just like all the other puppies in the pack..small but for some reason i figured i would give him a home not really caring what or were he came from because like all of us and all creatures we are born here and if someone doesnt train us and teach us then what good are we...he really couldnt help if he turned out to be a big boy...by the way he is 8 months old and weigh 95 pounds and really dwarfs my female who i guess is big by standards cause she weighs 74 pounds....so what to do with these so called show and big dogs??....and really how can you tell what your dog size would be or even what their temperment would be???? I am sure that all dogs that are produced by a champion would not have what it takes to be a champion themselves??? Right or wrong????.......have a happy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Many breeders who specifically select for larger size, really only have that in mind.

Firstly the GSD was never designed to be oversized and such an increase in body stucture prevents them from functioning as an efficient working dog. I hear breeders of large GSD's say their dogs are still athletic ect ect but compare them in agility with a regular size GSD and you'll see why they were designed to be the size that they are.
A large dog is really a disadvantage for work but is more pleasing to the eye to some people unfortunately. Most of these trainers/breeders on this forum are keen on keeping the GSD as a working dog, breeding dogs to be bigger just because you like the look of it will change this, so you can see why many people are against extra large dogs.
Anyway look at the Malinois and Dutch shepherds, they are on average smaller than German shepherds and are much faster and agile and have no trouble working as police dogs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If i was a GSD breeder who had a large dog/bitch that was also an exceptional working dog I would still breed the dog but to a smaller bitch/dog to bring the size down but i wouldn't strive for extra large dog, infact I don't know any working breeders who do.

The breeder of Lanes House of Large shepherds has copied the breeding goals of Royalair German shepherds, in Iowa. The Royalair dogs are linebred on larger European bloodlines, some DDR dogs infact. The breeder is not breeding for work but pets only. Large dogs aren't what i'd strive for but at least the dogs have straight backs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> .

Thanks, Megan - you know where most of the working dog folks stand on this matter, for sure! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If i was a GSD breeder who had a large dog/bitch that was also an exceptional working dog I would still breed the dog but to a smaller bitch/dog to bring the size down but i wouldn't strive for extra large dog, infact I don't know any working breeders who do.

ok with that said...How can you predict the outcome of what the size of the dogs will be????...Wouldnt some of them be of the smaller GSD standard and others be of the larger size dog????....My puppy was breed with well known breed lines of the standard size of gsd (Mutter side) but he took the Vater side (which i am trying to find more about at the present time) and is going to be a very big dog...I am guessing that he will be at least 120 pounds....Isnt the size of the dog going to be the same as the color of the coat and also the temperment????
We just dont know till the pup is born and grows to actually see what he is going to be...How do you control something that is really out of your control.....I really didnt think that i would get such a big dog and after reading some of the comments about the larger breeds that people write doesnt make me proud of my GSD...even if the lines of the dog comes from such a good breeder...and one more question...How can you tell that the dog you are gettting is coming from a breeder that has a good rating.. or breeder with in the standards of the breed and wont produce a larger dog or longer coat or the wrong color coat???/......Is their a website that rates the thousands of breeders or is it trail and error....cause it seems to me that some of us have good thing to says and other dont about different breeders????...Maybe this site could do something like that over 5000 people on the forum and growing..Alot of lovers of GSD and knowledge...Have a Happy.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Talking about Large GS's check this out if you can call it a german shepherd

http://www.dreamhuntergsd.20fr.com/photo2.html

This dog massive. The dog you can see 'rock and roll harry'weighs in about 12-13 stone. ive seen it, looks like a big fat blob of fur. You will notice that these dogs are also advertised to work - which believe me is a joke. It would have a heart attack if it tried to partake in any kind of phisical activity.
That dogs so fat its blood type is ragu. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
This breeders moto is bigger the better.
But then she has a waiting list as long as your arm of poeple wanting her dogs. I beleive she is just meeting peoples demands for bigger sized german shepherds - people im sure who also think that bigger is better. What can you do - if poeple want certain dogs a certain way you can bet there is a breeder out there who will breed to there specifications!

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We are pet breeders aiming to breed dogs of good correct type and temperaments.

Isn't "correct type" a contradiction of everything else they say on the site?? Doesn't "correct type" mean "conforming to breed standard"??

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ok with that said...How can you predict the outcome of what the size of the dogs will be????...Wouldnt some of them be of the smaller GSD standard and others be of the larger size dog????....

There will probably be some variation in size but its unlikely some will be exactly the same size as the parents. You'll probably get some nice medium/med-large dogs.Some pups will be on the smaller scale others larger. It's not that an occasional larger dog is bad it's just not something that serious working breeders strive for because an oversized dog is more clumsy, less agile and thus does not have the speed and agility of a regular size GSD.

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We just dont know till the pup is born and grows to actually see what he is going to be...How do you control something that is really out of your control.....

Most knowledgeable breeders can vouch for the size their bloodlines produce.

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I really didnt think that i would get such a big dog and after reading some of the comments about the larger breeds that people write doesnt make me proud of my GSD...

There's no reason you shouldn't be proud of your dog, just remember most people here are writing from a working dog perspective. Larger dogs are not something desireable when the regular size GSD does the work more efficiently. Again there is nothing wrong with a larger GSD its just not something that breeders strive for, rather if their bloodlines were producing big dogs they'd probably try and reduce the size.

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How can you tell that the dog you are gettting is coming from a breeder that has a good rating.. or breeder with in the standards of the breed and wont produce a larger dog or longer coat or the wrong color coat???/......

Most breeders who are keen on keeping the GSD as working dog, keep within the standard. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />Some breeders may produce a long coat ect but it doesn't make them bad breeders. The gene was just in their blooodlines, and a working breeder isn't going to strive to breed long coats, different colours, large dogs.

Check out this webpage

http://www.realgsd.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=11


Tim
So there's larger GSD's in the UK now too??? Some of these Xtra large GSD's look like they've been crossed with malamutes or Fluffy mastiffs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />