One good way to handle it is to offer a neuter rebate. The thing to remember is that people will buy dogs with or with out registrations, most don't care, although depending on the breed it may affect price. Like I said in an earlier post, if you are breeding good dogs that can add to the gene pool (or reinforce it) then letting those dogs reproduce is the right thing to do for the breed. I would define "good for the gene pool" as a dog that is better than 50 percent of ALL the dogs of that breed.

Now that does not mean that limited registration does not have its place, in protecting your breeding business. If controlling your lines to that point, improves your business, name recognition, sales price, etc etc, and by doing that it allows you to continue to produce good dogs, then more power to you. Just don't expect me to buy one on limited registration. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So even if you have a written signed agreement/contract you can't take them to court for breach of contract? what if it is done infront of a notery public? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> What would be the point in limited registration then-if the only thing it does to the new owner is not allow them to show the dog? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Dee Dee, limited registration also prohibits the offspring of that dog (should it be bred) from being registered. For instance, if I sell a pup on a NON-breeding agreement in my own country (Canada) and it is registered at the CKC on a limited registration, even if they go against our contract and breed the dog, the resulting litter and therefore individual dog is NOT registerable. To the backyard breeder/buyer that may not be an issue, but to anyone who would like to compete in CKC or AKC or other country's registering body's sanctioned events, it is a big problem. They are for the most part not able to participate.
I like the idea of a spay/neuter rebate in THEORY, however I am not always in the position to refund money on demand. In fact, I won't even take puppy deposits until the litter is born and I know I can deliver. It's just too much of a hassle, especially dealing with credit cards, wire transfers, foreign funds etc.
Deanna, I agree that the only sure way is to spay/neuter myself, however that would require me to have surgery done on wee babes, OR hold them until they are old enough for safe surger! We're seeing more and more dogs with incontinence issues due to these procedures being performed on very immature animals as it is. Our local SPCA has that policy and I can't tell you how many botched procedures and lifelong incontinence problems we have seen! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
The SPCA in Victoria, BC (where I lived before) had a policy that you paid for the spay/neuter when you took the animal home, it came with a voucher for a number of different hospitals who would perform the procedure. You were then able to have the surgery done when the animal was physically mature! They DID follow through with phone calls to remind and ensure that this was done! This also prevented animals from receiving substandard veterinary care since there was no "lowest bidder" doing the job, as there seems to be here!
I disagree that both the CKC and the AKC don't recognize each other's limited registration. I don't see any valid reason for it... if a buyer is purchasing the dog on a non-breeding spay/neuter contract, they obviously do not intend to enter the conformation circuit. Since reproductive organs are not required for any other competition, it seems like it should be a non-issue! :rolleyes:
Tammy.

I offered a spay/neuter rebate on my first 2 litters. Had to constantly email puppy buyers to make sure I got proof of neuter/spay. You'd think people would want money back. I no longer offer it since it appears not too many people were interested in a financial incentive. Luckily all my pups that have been on spay/neuter have been done to date.

My breeder friend started selling with limited registration after she found out one of her females she sold was bred and whelped her pups in bad conditions and poorly cared for. She found this out through friends of friends, bought the pups gave the owners an earful and nursed them back to health. She was so depressed over this situation and had always felt that not just anyone has what it takes to breed a litter, that she started selling with limited registration. If someone came along and proved their dedication through training and titling she would lift the limitation. However after her experience it would take getting to know them very well to assure they have the knowledge to do so. I would never buy limited registered dogs, unless I knew that after titling I would have breeding rights. As long as the buyers know up front all about limited registration I feel it is a good thing to do.

If they are going to treat the dog poorly, they will do so whether they are breeding it or not breeding it. Limited registration does not protect against breeding, at best it just helps protect your reputation if you make the mistake of selling to the wrong people.

I see dogs in the papers all the time that come without registration, and for a good deal of money. To a person that works thier dogs it means something, but think about the percentage of us that work our dogs and then look at those that don't. I don't care if a dog is registered or not, if you are breeding when no one has asked for pups from the dog/bitch maybe you should look at what you are breeding. A title maybe used to mean breed worthy but not anymore. If thier is no interest in the dog/bitch for breeding from anyone else but you are you not just breeding for $$$$$$$$$$$???

Tim,Let me say bluntly "I kiss no ones ass". You will see this by the posts that I make...in a gentle way.

Limited registation protects only as far as the breeder wants to follow up and protect the lines (genetics) that have been created.The buyer hopefully would trust the breeder..and use the genetics for a purpose and build upon that in an open genetic arena (pool) in order to place back...the full working genetics of the intitial line that was created..."The total GSD...maybe incorporating some AKC dogs..eerrr...in order for the result.The only way to incorporate them is to see their genetic qualities..That most do not see in the AKC ring of circus.In the other realms..I am sure that that there are those pups..don't fit the need for the events.What I see on either "end" is a focus on the very minute capabilities of the true shepherd.All in all I am glad.My wish would be that there would be a group..that would organize an event that all sects of the GSD would meet with the overall title given to protection dog/herding dog/agility dog..in objects/obedience dog..utility dog..At the end of this endurance..would be a sit stay..onlyThose are my thoughts.

I wish you were on my end Candace. I do limited amount of personal protection and it is awful. I send 99% of them home. I hate the fact that they get a dog that is suposed to be this really cool ideal dog and the dog is trash. I had a police officer come with his "AKC" dog and just being in the training area made him try to bash the door open to escape and then trying to go thru the windows. All he had done was come into the building. I took the clients and had a seat and let him look around. thats it. I hate that I hate that people breed dogs that can't handle a room with chairs in it. Minute capabilities on either end??? I can see that running around a ring is a minute, but were is schutzhund minute? And an overall title?? Like when they are 25? And of course the ever impossible sit stay?? I don't get it.