Greg Long Webboard User Reg: 02-09-2005
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There is a great article on K9 Services board but I couldnt find the exact link. VC: I have been wanting to ask you forever,why do you like those types of dogs?I mean what advantages do you feel you get that you are willing to trade off nerve strength for?I often wonder what kind of socialization the old time shepherds did with their dogs and if they used any type of early stim or even if they worried about it at all?
Do you think all the early work takes away from defense? It is a fear based drive and a super confident dog is less likely to be afraid. Your thoughts?
I have used it with all my recent litters. One litter produced 2 certified bomb dogs, I have a bitch that is outstanding in drives/temperament (doing HGH herding with her)from same litter, and sibling from second litter (only 1 pup this time, same sire/dam) also a certified bomb dog. Other pups super stable, not afraid of things, great health etc.
ENS is not just about bringing out the best potential in temperament but also about producing pups/dogs that do well under stressful situations both temperamet wise as well as health wise. It produces better immune systems.
Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001
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Greg, I'll make this as simple as possible. I like a dog who will offer some defensive behaviors on his own without too much pressure. I also like a dog who is a little sharp, or who is quick to react to stimuli with an aggressive response.
If I have to live with a dog that hackles some in different situations, or barks with a lot of tooth, or looks at every stranger as a potential bite, or who I have to spend some exta time with environmental socialization. . . then so be it.
I'll take a serious dog with those flaws over a dog that lacks natural suspician and a serious edge any day.
Do you think all the early work takes away from defense? It is a fear based drive and a super confident dog is less likely to be afraid. Your thoughts?
I don't think that is lessens the dog defense "drive" but it definitely might raise the dog's defense "threshhold". It will take more stim from the decoy to get a defensive response from the dog. Maybe not the easiest dog to train if you are working him in defense and he won't get threatened but I guess the good thing is that he will be able to take more than a dog who has a lower threshold to defense.
In studies, animals exposed to this type of "stress testing" were said to handle stressful situations significantly better and actually survive longer through starvation, hypothermia, dehydration, and other situations where he was left to die.
Of course, too much stress can cause pathological damage and actually retard development. They know stress is good but how much is too much? http://www.dpca-breedered.com/battagliahiachievers.htm
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