Looking at the dogs behavior and listening to his barking in the blind you can see/hear he is a dog who works in prey. Pedro your friend deserves a pat on the back for having a very well trained dog. Its unfortunate how his routine ended, especially seeing all the good training the dog has. Win or lose most of us here can only dream about going to the championships with our dogs.
First off let me start by saying that I do not disagree that Pedro is an excellent dog, but let me give you my views of the situation. We can start way back before the back transport.
The Bark and Hold needs to be more intense, the dog looked for the handler on 4 different occasions (quick head checks to the right) and changes positions consistantly through the whole exercise. As for as the helper, he needs to stand with a little more presence and not help the dog with the stick in site...the stick needs to be out of site. Call out was in order.
On the escape the dog was very fast into the helper but needs to bite harder and hold the grip more calmly. He mouths in the middle of the escape and a split second before the lockup. The helper pumps the sleeve 2 1/2 times helping the dog to the grip. The helper is only allowed to pump the sleeve once at take off. The out is good. Duing the attack the helper needs to attack the dog meaning raise the stick and step into the dog....the helper just pops the sleeve up giving the dog a prey presentation. The dog again mouths during this drive.
The back transport is in order. Upon the attack, the dog had ample opportunity to bite the sleeve eventhough the helper made a bad sleeve presentation. In the perfect world we would have wanted the helper to put the sleeve down and go after the dog...but of course we don't live in that world.
No offense to anyone, but I believe this helper was helping these dogs to much on the front half. That's just the way the cards fall.
The only thing I find a little bit unfair is the fact that everyone in Germany knows what to expect from this judge and from the two helpers that worked at the trial. If you are from a foreign country and have never been to a German DMC trial you expect everyone to follow the trial rules.
However that’s not the way they do it. Its even more extreme during the DMC korung, where the helpers pull the schutzarm away from the dog whenever they can or shield it with something in order to make it more difficult to take a bite. Of course they train for this. This is a normal site at a Korung:
That is some real crap from the helper. Look at the short clip of Django and the other dog, he never presents the sleeve to Django like he did the other dog. And chasing a dog while running at him with the sleeve leveled and threatening him is one thing, but pulling the sleeve away and turning in a circle. What a JOKE of proper helper work!
To bad the dog did not nail him square in the chest.....
Watch the stick and then tell me there is a barrage in Shutzhund. I don't remember that being part of any exercise in Shutzhund
Not sure I understand what you mean, but if you’re talking about the intensive and fast stick use, of course that’s a part of Schutzhund. You’re supposed to “barrage” before you move the schutzarm, when the dog bites and all the way until you stop for the “out”. The rulebook specifically states, that if the dog doesn’t bite you are supposed to wave the stick over its head until it bites or the judge tells you to stop.
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When this is said and done two things happened.
Knee or no knee the dog bounced off two bites. When you catch a dog you look in his eyes, you feel his grip and you know he is strong or weak dog. Doug you know this more than anyone.
The helper here determined (of his own accord - which was not correct) - that he would end the exercise his way and the hell with the rules. Was this within the sport rules? NO ! Does this dog show the correct character for a working dog? NO !!!
My opinion (which is certainly not the same as devout sport competitor) is the rules of the sport have been changes in recent years to cover up weakness in character. Who wins in this? Certainly not the breed.
Let us not forget that the sport of Schutzhund was designed to measure the working ability of a dog so the information gained could be used by breeders in a breeding program. The Germans in the SV have forgot this. It seems the Germans who are involved with Mals have not. My hat is off to them.
In my opinion this dog should not be bred. Good training and high points do nothing for the breed – character and genetics make the breed.
There are too many new people in the sport (like Pedro) who don't have the experience to know what they are looking at. I don't mean this is a mean spirit. They just dont have the experience to know a really good dog from a medecure dog or a high drive dog with weak nerves. Good training does not make a good dog for breeding - good genetics make a good dog for breeding.
Let us never forget what old breeders say - "THIS IS A DOG FOR BREEDING AND NOT A DOG FOR SPORT". I never thought I would live long enough to be comsidered an old breeder but at 57 and 340 litters I am an OLD BREEDER.
In my opinion a good trainer is one who can take a dog for breeding and make it a sport dog.
A barrage is waving the stick in front of your body before the bite. If you watch ringsport you will see what I mean. The decoy is threatening the dog instead of the handler. I haven't seen this kind of work in Shutzhund, but I am not the expert. I also am not against the stick, just the crappy presentation of the sleeve end first. People spend a lot of time teaching their dogs to target the middle of the sleeve. As far as the dog in prey drive, of course he is. I don't see a lot of serious dogs in the sports anymore. if they were serious dogs he would of gotten hurt because he was unfair and the dog would of nailed him for it. They are playing a game out there. and thats the nature of the beast if you want to be selected for these top trials your serious dog is not going to cut it.
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