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[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#77622 - 07/01/2005 09:15 PM |
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The US Dept of Agriculture's green-jacketed Beagle Brigade is charged with keeping the nation's food supply safe from various nasty diseases like hoof & mouth or other food-borne pathogens. Returning tourists or immigrants are notorious about bringing in raw fruit or unprocessed meats. The diseases they can harbor would devastate domestic food production.
The USDA uses the beagles for two reasons. They are small enough to get into tighter places and somewhat easier to hoist up into a cargo container.
They are less intimidating to the general public. Since handler protection is not an issue, you don't really need all the extra things a Shepherd brings to the party. You get a very different reaction when Snoopy comes sniffing the crowd in the JFK immigration baggage claim than when Rinty comes nosing around. People know Rinty means business. Snoopy is just cute.
USDA's Beagle Brigade
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/news/1995/03/BFEATURE.HTM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0607_beaglebrigade.html
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps19118/usdabbb.pdf
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Charlie Snyder ]
#77623 - 07/01/2005 09:38 PM |
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People know Rinty means business. Snoopy is just cute.
Damn skippy! I love those lil guys! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Is there a bigger challenge in training for the beagle brigade opposed to a GSD?
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Charlie Snyder ]
#77624 - 07/01/2005 09:39 PM |
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They are less intimidating to the general public. Since handler protection is not an issue, you don't really need all the extra things a Shepherd brings to the party. You get a very different reaction when Snoopy comes sniffing the crowd in the JFK immigration baggage claim than when Rinty comes nosing around. People know Rinty means business. Snoopy is just cute.
HAHAHA, snoopy! I never put that together. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You are tottaly right though, I could see the mayhem a pack of "evil" GSDs would bring to a line of people in a airport, it would be like assault weapons with fur.
Thanks for the links, it will make for good reading. Im glad to see the little breeding helping the USA. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#77625 - 07/01/2005 09:53 PM |
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I would say GSDs would be easyer to train. Im no PRO and I do not know how GSDs work as a "pack" dog. But, I think as a hole there are better GSD lines out there then Beagle lines. I mean, GSDs where made for this kind of work. I have seen Beagle kind of scared around alot of noise and people, GSDs seem to just walk a little taller, a good GSD knows its sh!t dont stink and is not shy. Plus being a reall working/guard type breed I think they can take and will take more physical kind of work. Also, I would not take any thing away from a GSDs nose, unfortunaly I have never seen a GSD take really good bites, but I have seen GSDs that could smell a rose in a pile of poopoo 2 miles away, and find the rose too.
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#77626 - 07/01/2005 10:33 PM |
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Although I'm not in the same class as many here, I think I'm a reasonably good dog trainer. That being said, trying to teach a beagle ANYTHING other than following it's nose is a pain in the A$$! The're a 10 watt bulb in a 100 watt socket.
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#77627 - 07/01/2005 10:44 PM |
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I can see them doing well for the dept of agriculture working alone but in a hunting situation you really need a pack. Their pack instincts are strong and each dog in a pack will have its strengths and weakness. You will have your jump dogs, your track dogs and of course the tattle tales (the ones that will not chase anything but a rabbit) If they do not join the chase then their probably on a deer and you have problems.
btw I never have been much on spelling. Product of MS public , dumbed down schools.
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Gene Graham ]
#77628 - 07/01/2005 11:56 PM |
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they are small and unintimadating is the reason they use them for sniffing fruit.
that and they can get into tight little spots better
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: David Ferguson ]
#77629 - 07/02/2005 07:51 AM |
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Not for nothing, but I would say beagle working lines are better overall than shepherd working lines. Hunting people have no tolerance for a dog that does not hunt. They are taken out of the gene pool. Beagles are not dumb, they just have an extremely short attention span. If you work on building that, they can learn quite well.
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Re: Help on a dog please.
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#77630 - 07/02/2005 09:22 AM |
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I saw a little hunting line beagle bitch at my last agility trial. She was awesome! I was envious of how well she listened. To see someone issue a series of about 20 commands to a hound and have it listen to all of them was truly impressive. The little dog took home several ribbons. She was one of the smallest dogs there, but she was certainly the loudest. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Help on a dog please.
[Re: Amber Morris ]
#77631 - 07/02/2005 01:42 PM |
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I love the comment about the 1o watt bulb in a 100 watt socket. . . that's my girl. If you train OB, get lots of hot dog and use a prong.
I have seen single beagles hunting, generally cottontails, although there are only pack events for beagle competitions.
One of the biggest reasons for beagles in the Beagle Brigade has not been mentioned: beagles, in general, really like crowds and people and are not bothered by noise. This kind of thing, 8 hrs a day, would probably bother most even-tempered dogs.
Their food drive is so strong that it is really, really easy to train a beagle to sit when it smells food (and get a food reward.) Training for the Beagle Brigade is a few weeks at most. Having a well-trained GSD would be overkill, I think.
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