Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: David Ferguson ]
#77681 - 06/30/2005 08:54 PM |
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Hi mike.
Okay, lets say Im wrong and I might be wrong, I have been befor. What should be done with the dogs that are taken in that are strays or homless? I would be more then happy to give dogs away to people who could care for them. But, it just seems to me that these dog need so much spec. care that most people would not have the know how, or time to care for them. I understand alot of places nudder dogs, but that only stop reproduction, what about dogs that are really, really mean? I like Pitts, I really like them. I have owned them, But, it was not backyard crap Pitts.
So, in your guys opinions what should be done about the bad ones? Should we really keep the bad ones alive? Is there really a place for the bad pitts? Or any really bad dog for that matter. Im open for any thing.
Dave.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying, or I didn't convey my thoughts very well. If a dog is truly a dangerous dog, by all means, put the dog down, but being quick to jump to this solution or taking pride in this will quickly get on peoples nerves - it's all about tact and attitude when you discuss this subject. In the case of, say, a dog that has a responsible owner who is working with the dog to solve puppyhood behavioral and dominance problems, in most cases, not all, but certainly a majority proportion of them, the dog can be turned into a great dog. I understand the theory and reasoning behind destroying an entire breed, but this will cause problems beyond that - sure, it'll be out of the public eye, but even worse things will be going on "behind the scenes". We have "Dangerous Dog" laws for a reason, unfortunately they are not enforced as strictly as they should be - and people aren't as willing to abide by them before the dog bites, instead, they wait until it's been deemed a dangerous dog by animal control. This is an owner responsibility issue, and, IMO, is comparable to a parent not taking steps to make sure their son doesn't kill someone by teaching them correct behavior thru correct upbringing (training). It's plain and simple negligence when a handler doesn't raise their dog correctly, and usually its plain ignorance. I was walking thru a park one day and there was a lady with a dog, about 20lbs, with a muzzle on, hiding under her bench and being incredibly aggressive towards everyone and everything that walked by her. Whenever the dog curled his lip and started growling, she would praise the dog - she thought she was telling the dog "it's ok don't be aggressive", but she was too ignorant to know better. That dog may have been a wonderful and highly social dog if correctly raised, even if he had shown aggression as a puppy, it could have been corrected in most cases, the dog was 9 years old - a bit late to start the socialization process.
Personally I'm not a big pitbull fan, their "smile" freaks me out, especially the pit-mutt that someone left running around the park that tried to hump my boy last year.
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: David Ferguson ]
#77682 - 06/30/2005 08:55 PM |
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How would you enforce breed specfic legislation ??? Cant all dogs interbreed ???? Is a cane Corso (sp) a pitbull,a Dogo ? I have owned 3 of these dogs and had 2 that were wonderful dogs, 1 wasn't ans was dealt with app.The problems is the owners. Not everyone should own this breed of dog, just like not everyone is cut out to be a parent <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: David Ferguson ]
#77683 - 06/30/2005 10:15 PM |
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David Ferguson,Ive looked over all of your post and couldnt find what I was looking for. What is it you do for a living ? You talk about putting dogs down. Just wondering.
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#77684 - 06/30/2005 11:17 PM |
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In the case of, say, a dog that has a responsible owner who is working with the dog to solve puppyhood behavioral and dominance problems, in most cases, not all, but certainly a majority proportion of them, the dog can be turned into a great dog.
Mike, yes, you are right. I got a little over opinionated on that thread and should have been more understanding. The more I reread all the posts on the thread, the more I came to see I was wrong. I get a little pushy because of what happend to my cousin, sorry I took it out on members of this forum, or there dogs.
Okay, now let me explain my self a little less hard-headed. I think the problem with the pitbull line is its following. *Tell me if my facts are wrong here* But, pitbulls are easy to get ahold of just about any where in the states. They can be very cheap and easy for about anyone to aford, sometimes you can get whole litters for free. Alot of young adults and teens love pitbulls and there image and get them for all the wrong reasons, because of there "evil" look, or because there "tuff", or even because they know they can get the dog to fight dogs, or bite people. And as a result of all this compacted onto one dog, the breeding runs rampped and the quality on the bread goes down. Like I said the bully breeds are awesome dogs, just some of the dogs have a bad following of people. I also think that if GSDs had the same following of people they would be just as bad as the pitbull, it could happen to any bread I guess. But, for what ever reason this group of people made it happend to the pitbull.
I guess in a sence it has happend to other dogs, maybe not like the pitbull with aggression. But, look at some LABS, I see labs now that dont swim, or retrieve. How does that happen? I guess along the same lines as what happend to the pitbull, high damand=lots of bad breading=more afordable dogs=more and more breading. Now there are still awesome LABS and there are still great pits too.
Was I wrong on any thing I pointed out?
O, by the way. I work part time for Metro-Nashville animal control.
Thanks for reading.
Dave.
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#77685 - 06/30/2005 11:22 PM |
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OK, this is my take on the "Pit Bull" issue, for what it's worth. American Staffordshire Terriers (AKA Pit Bulls) were good people dogs ONCE UPON A TIME. My Mom had one as a child and it was about the best dog in the world, for her. The breed has changed. Once upon a time the dogs were bred to be people friendly, but dog (or bull- don't forget they used to be used in bull baiting)) aggresive. That's changed. The dogs are being bred to be mean. Mean, and that's it, major aggressive to everything and to be controlled only by one person and only if that person holds a club. You can't take a dog that's been bred like that and bring it into your family. (anyhow, I couldn't, I don't know enough about training a dangerous dog to do it.) You cannot compare the dogs from "ago" to the dogs now. Most of the dogs "now" are being bred by people who have no concept of how to breed dogs for good lineage. Someone has a really mean dog and someone else has a really mean bitch and they get the two dogs together to see what kind of litter they have. Trash psycho dogs are the result.
Even if the dog comes from responsible breeders, most average people have NO idea how to raise and train a Staffy. They just want to see how mean their dog can be. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: David Morris ]
#77686 - 06/30/2005 11:30 PM |
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As a the owner of a working Pit Bull and an enthusiast of the breed as it SHOULD be, I can say that.....
I dont know what to do <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I know that it disgusts me that there arent stricter laws for dangerous dogs as individuals. It is appalling that dogs are being released after prior "offenses". You bite, you die, ESPECIALLY with pit bulls. There should be a one-strike rule. I also think that veterinary clinics should report bites/attempted bites from pit bulls. I cant tell you how many unstable dogs I have had to muzzle for my own safety while treating, and hand them back to the owners and force a smile. "Oh Dolly was just a little scared, thats all.." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
I think a HUGE part of it lies in education. But that goes for ALL companion dogs, not just bulldogs. And there are people that just refuse to be educated.
It truly saddens me to see what this wonderful breed has come to. In thier true CORRECT form, a Pit Bull is a spectacular dog, unequaled in enthusiasm, tenacity, and true love of people.
-Erika
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: David Ferguson ]
#77687 - 06/30/2005 11:33 PM |
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It really is getting to the point where I'm seeing the logic of sacrificing a breed to save many others. Sad that it's come to this.
By this comment do you mean getting ride of Pitt-bulls to save dogs like GSD or AB dogs? Because, if that is what you are saying I agree.
This absurd!! What are we going to do then, keep going on breed by breed??
there bread bad and by junkys in the ghetto. There bread for "want-a-bes" and dumbasses that fight them. People buy these dogs for a "tuff guy" image. The owners of these dogs cant take care of them selfs let alone train or feed a dog.
These people are what need to be 'sacrificed'. And I'll tell ya, it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice at all!!!
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
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#77688 - 06/30/2005 11:53 PM |
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
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#77689 - 06/30/2005 11:59 PM |
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Something to keep in mind here is the media. They love a good story. I've been a police officer for almost eleven years now and the worst dog bite I've investigated was by one of those little scotty dogs. We had a young boy that was bit by a lab/boxer mix a few weeks ago and the dog took a large chunk out of his neck giving a perfict view of the carotid artery. The boy was flown to a hospital over 70 miles away and by the time the helicopter was on the ground, every TV station and news paper was calling wanting to know what kind of dog it was. When they were told it was a lab/boxer mix, they just said thankyou and there was no story. We all know what they were looking for. The media has alot of influence.
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Re: Pit Bull attack part 2 million.......
[Re: Erika Miller ]
#77690 - 07/01/2005 12:58 AM |
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I know that it disgusts me that there arent stricter laws for dangerous dogs as individuals.
I dont want to get into semantics here, but dangerous dog laws are also a problem. A large dog that accidently knocks over your elderly grandmother could be labled as dangerous. The law should focus on vicious dog ordinances. But as far as the GSD and rotts being banned? Its already happened in several areas. For example, Caraway Arkansas banned Dobes and Rotts, Jonesboro Arkansas banned the GSD. In parts of Iowa you can own an APBT but you cant have an Staffordshire terrier or bull terrier. Rotts have also been banned in some parts. In Lynville Tennesee it is illegal to own, keep, train or possess a Rott, pit, chow, dobe or GSD. If we sit back and let these politicians decide what is best for us.. we all lose. It is even worse in Europe. Italy has restrictions or bans on over 92 breeds. When the government decides that I cant own a GSD.. they will pry the leash out of cold, dead hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Sorry to preach, but I had to get it out of my system. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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