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[Re: Howard Knauf ]
#83638 - 09/03/2005 11:12 PM |
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I teach a bark alert on live find and a down and bark on cadaver and evidence recovery. Many in SAR teach a recall/refind for live work. I've not found one to be harder or easier, just different. Since I also train in Sch with my dog, the ONLY thing I've seen carry over is his live alert is a little more "in your face" than a dog that stands back and bark alerts on a "victim". His hold and bark is WAY in your face. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: cadaver dog training
[Re: Bob Scott ]
#83639 - 09/11/2005 05:04 PM |
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Hi again, thanx for all your advice, one more thing I need to know
I live in Ireland where one is not allowed to have any human tissue
for training puposes.A question, can you use the pseudo corpse sent in
conjunction with hair/bone/teeth and bloodsamples(which are ok to
have)in order to increase the scent spectrum or are the pseudoscents good
enough on their own. Just worried that pseudo is not wide spectrum enough. so basically can you mix pseudo scents with the organic materials described. pls advise
marcel
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Re: cadaver dog training
[Re: marcel steenkist ]
#83640 - 09/11/2005 05:21 PM |
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I use a lot of decomp clothing in my training. It gives a nice braod spectrum and should not be illegal to have as long as you get it legally  Also, if you have good contacts in the LE in your area, then you may be able to get notified if a body is found, and you can head out and after all the evidence is cleared and the LE leave the scene you can generally get some good "body dirt" from where the body was laying, it also has a very good scent.
I ma not a fan of psuedo, but its a personal preference and if its all you have then you need to use it. I would look for other sources that are legal to own and use.
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Re: cadaver dog training
[Re: Samantha Knell ]
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I too, have body dirt that really seems to hold up well, ... a 2 year old room temp samp is still good if I occassionaly dampen it. When you can get it, take all you can and freeze a backup supply.
I mix blood with different kinds of dirt and also save the skin I scrape off the bottom of my feet (you do have to get creative)...I have heard so so about hair....some argue that there is no specific human decomp smell to hair....I don't know if that is true or not.
Is it legal to buy bones from the bone room in Ireland? You can buy them on the internet here. They are bleached and sanitized but after a few weeks in damp dirt they get pretty strong. Also, what about the tooth fairy? Can you get teeth?
If you can make friends with a coroner, perhaps they can give you fabric associated with a cadaver.
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[Re: Nancy Jocoy ]
#83642 - 09/12/2005 12:05 AM |
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Nancy, good point on the freezer. Some of the cad stuff, soil in particular, can get really mouldy, fast! China also sells bones on the net. Their graveyards are so crowded, they dig up remains after so many years to make room for more. With ALL cad material, safe handling is a HUGE responsability. Not only to keep it from being contaminated by outside sources, but for your own health safty also. Play safe kiddies! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
For those that are close, Sept 23-24 there is a cad training Sseminar in Tonkawa OkL. That's in N, central OKL.
Anyone interested in a phone # to contact about it, e-mail or PM me. I've been to a couple of his (Grady Jarvis) seminars. He's mean, onry, opinionated and lots of fun, but he knows his "stuff". If you want an honest answer on what he thinks about your dog, he'll give it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: cadaver dog training
[Re: Nancy Jocoy ]
#83643 - 09/12/2005 09:38 PM |
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Is it legal to buy bones from the bone room in Ireland? You can buy them on the internet here. They are bleached and sanitized but after a few weeks in damp dirt they get pretty strong.
Even better contact the bone room- tell them you are training a cadaver dog and ask them not to bleach an sanitize the bones- they are happy to oblige and you dont lose anything in the sterilization process.
One other thought, dont know if it is legal in Ireland, but if you know anyone pregnant, ask them to donate their placenta- gross I know- but it is a great source of material and scent and large enough to be broken down and mixed with things.
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[Re: Samantha Knell ]
#83644 - 09/12/2005 10:53 PM |
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The University of Tennessee (Knoxville) has the only outdoor anthropology study in the world, designed to study the effects of decomposition on human remains. There are usually over 50 real human cadavers, at various stages of decomposition and different settings (above ground, buried, in cars, water, trees, etc) at any given time on the site.
Dr. Bill Bass, one of the premier forensic anthropolgists in the world, heads the ongoing study. As a UT grad (and dog handler/trainer) I have had the honor of visiting the "Body Farm" in person.
My first dog (patrol/explosives) is now retired and I'm in the process of training my new dog for SAR amd cadaver. I have cadaver material from the Body Farm to use for training. They have a program for legitimate trainers to aquire real cadaver material for free for K-9 training purposes. I'm not sure of the exact requirements, but contacting Dr. Bass at the UT Department of Anthropolgy would probably be a good start.
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[Re: Scott Zettelmeyer ]
#83645 - 09/12/2005 11:39 PM |
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I've also had the privledge of training at the Body Farm in Knoxville. Unfortunately, I've heard it's much harder to go there now since the Sandy Andersion BS. It's suspected she got some of her "material" there.
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#83646 - 09/13/2005 08:12 AM |
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One other thought, dont know if it is legal in Ireland, but if you know anyone pregnant, ask them to donate their placenta- gross I know- but it is a great source of material and scent and large enough to be broken down and mixed with things.
Good news on the bone room and not bleaching - I did tell them what I was doing with my bones when I got them and got an assortment of broken bones and fragments cheaper.
Concerning the placenta....great source and a lot of material.......but that may be hard.
I tried that in South Carolina with both of my grandaughters with my daughter willing to sign a release on her own tissue and no way jose. DHEC (Department of Health and Environmental Control) looms heavy here. I know LE and paramedics who have a hard time collecting material for their own use.
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#83647 - 09/13/2005 08:21 AM |
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And the funny thing........I have searched through my state code and can fine nowhere it mentions anything about what is and is not legal concerning human tissue..............
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