Will Rambeau wrote 09/30/2005 01:38 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Patrick Murray ] #85640 - 09/30/2005 01:38 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Common early mistakes I see freqeuntly: The decoy/helper and the dog owner not discussing what they're going to do out on the field *before* the handler goes to get the dog. The decoy not understanding the body mechanics needed to absorb and flow with the impact of the dog to prevent injury to the animal. The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Mike Russell wrote 09/30/2005 02:10 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Will Rambeau ] #85641 - 09/30/2005 02:10 PM
Mike Russell Webboard User Reg: 09-26-2001 Posts: 706 Loc: Offline	Quote: The decoy/helper and the dog owner not discussing what they're going to do out on the field *before* the handler goes to get the dog. My NUMBER ONE pet peeve!!! Mike Russell BANNED FROM THE LEERBURG BOARD
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Simon Robson wrote 09/30/2005 02:24 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Mike Russell ] #85642 - 09/30/2005 02:24 PM
Simon Robson Webboard User Reg: 08-27-2004 Posts: 53 Loc: Offline	Isn't that a joint problem with both the handler and the helper? Before I work a dog as helper or handler we always talk about what we're going to do. The last thing I want is to try to build prey and have the handler send his dog for a bite when I'm not ready.
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David Morris wrote 09/30/2005 08:17 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Simon Robson ] #85643 - 09/30/2005 08:17 PM
David Morris Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2002 Posts: 570 Loc: North Carolina Offline	Feeding the sleeve, bad presentation giving the dog a scrwewd up bite, jamming the dog,not understanding the importance of footwork, not knowing where the pocket is therefor not being able to put the dog in it keeping the sleeve correct and driving the dog.How about this, going out and taking bites from dogs in training instead of first having somebody teach you on old experienced dogs first. Stop making excuses for your dog and start training it!
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jeff oehlsen wrote 09/30/2005 08:40 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Simon Robson ] #85644 - 09/30/2005 08:40 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	Quote:The last thing I want is to try to build prey and have the handler send his dog for a bite when I'm not ready. The handler never gets to send the dog when they want. I figure the day that a handler can read what his dog is thinking from looking at his butt, is the day I am out of dogs entirely. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I would have, and have had, a major issue with this kind of handler. A really good number of them just want to see their dog bite. Plus, a good number of them are nutters, that want to see if their dog will bite "for real" Jerks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/30/2005 09:00 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: David Morris ] #85645 - 09/30/2005 09:00 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Feeding the sleeve, .....jamming the dog,...... I did "search" on that term (jamming the dog) and it seems to be the same as crashing the dog. Is that right?
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jeff oehlsen wrote 09/30/2005 09:05 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #85646 - 09/30/2005 09:05 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	As the dog is grabbing the sleeve, you give with the dog. Not giving makes the dog take all the impact. JAMMING. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/30/2005 09:15 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #85647 - 09/30/2005 09:15 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: As the dog is grabbing the sleeve, you give with the dog. Not giving makes the dog take all the impact. JAMMING. Thanks.
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David Shaw wrote 09/30/2005 09:47 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #85648 - 09/30/2005 09:47 PM
David Shaw Webboard User Reg: 11-18-2004 Posts: 122 Loc: Granville, ILLinois Offline	And what is the pay scale for a decoy????......Seems like he has more responsiblities than the handler????
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Mike Russell wrote 09/30/2005 10:05 PM Re: Common mistakes of inexperienced decoys [Re: David Shaw ] #85649 - 09/30/2005 10:05 PM
Mike Russell Webboard User Reg: 09-26-2001 Posts: 706 Loc: Offline	Quote: And what is the pay scale for a decoy????......Seems like he has more responsiblities than the handler???? "Thank you"....if you're lucky. Mike Russell BANNED FROM THE LEERBURG BOARD
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