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ok, i will try to figure out how to post links. the photos are on photobucket, maybe i can link directly from there?
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Alice, you live in a fantasy world. There isn't a Mastiff alive that can clear an 8 ft fence and there never has been.
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#89765 - 11/26/2005 02:08 PM |
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the mastiff i had in the 1960s/early 1970s certainly could and did. i saw it with my own eyes. on what authority are you saying they never could, robert? how familiar are you with the breed and its history? what you see in today's show ring is, historically, a very recent incarnation of the breed.
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I'd have to agree with VanCamp. An 8 foot fence would be one hell of an obstacle for a boxer or a pit bull which are KNOWN for the athleticism and jumping ability. But you have a large breed that's known for it's size/weight/laziness and it can "clear" an 8 foot fence? I'd have to see it to believe it.
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#89767 - 11/26/2005 02:17 PM |
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i agree it would be tough for a dog as small as the boxer or pit bull to handle that high a fence. what about a great dane or an irish wolfhound? still having trouble imagining it? the dog i am speaking of was on that scale, not the boxer or pitbull scale.
sorry to see that the public perception of the mastiff has so deteriorated along with the breed. though i suppose that is to be expected. if i had to make a guess, i'd say only about 1 percent of the mastiffs out there today have the physical type and ability of the old-fashioned mastiffs of 40-50 years ago. it just isn't rewarded in the breed ring, and so it isn't bred for. there's a whole long history of this, and how it happened, but probably not of interest in a forum that isn't dedicated to the breed.
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I can't think of any dog which could "clear", as you put it, an 8 foot fence; they all jump 'at' it, get front paws over and then 'scramble' up with rear legs.
I'd be surprised to see such a heavy dog have the agility to 'get over' an 8' fence <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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I've had Great Danes, and would say that most boxers and pit bulls jump MUCH higher than Great Danes. Irish Wolfhound? I've never been around them, but would say it's probably not likely either. Greyhounds? Borzoi? Still I'd have to say, eight foot is just too high, even for the athletic large breed dogs out there. If it were trained for it, some breeds would be capable, but it would not be a behavior that the dog learned on it's own and most breeds just are not capable of it no matter how much training they have.
When you say "clear" are you saying that the dog got its head that high and could see over it, or are you saying that the dog actually jumped over the fence? Maybe we're not talking about the same thing.
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hm, if the term "clear" v. "get over" is the problem, then i recant. i don't recall if the dog "cleared" the fence or merely "got over." she was highly motivated. one of her children was being attacked by another dog on the other side of the fence. in the confusion of the moment, all i recall is that in a flash she was on the other side of the fence and had the other dog knocked down on the ground.
i don't think she weighed much more than 120 lbs. like i said, mastiffs have gotten much bigger in the last two decades. we also kept her lean because it is better for their health. she probably would have had to carry an additional 20-30 lbs. to look appropriate for the show ring. we wanted then, as we insist on now, a dog that is functional and can hike and run long distances. i.e. an athlete.
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also, to be honest, i did not then get out a tape measure and measure the fence. it was taller than the one that encloses my side yard now, which is 7 ft. you may be right that 8 ft. is just a bit too tall.
my point is that mastiffs can be--and have been in the past--very athletic dogs. when they are maligned as layabouts that have lost their athletic and working ability, i must agree with the general truth of that today, and it makes me sad. but i also want people to be aware that today's mastiff is not what the breed was, not so very long ago.
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