I really can't tell, it looks like a weapon to me, but then in a part of it, it does look like a green bite roll. I guess since I have no experience with patrol dogs, or much experience period compared to a lot on this board I won't comment to harshly, but I tend to believe there is a better way than tossing your dog around like a rag doll.
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OMG how awful! I don't understand what he was trying to do either, but I'm ticked off now as well. I wonder if we could report it to the HSUS or something? That sure looked abusive to me. I think a simple leash correction instead of hauling the dog around by the neck and slamming him to the ground multiple times would have been much more effective and certainly less stressful for the dog. Yelling nein and phooey at the dog once he got the dog down and was sitting on him was also pointless. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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I defenitly see the bite roll now. And you can see his weapn is still on his side if you slow the video down a bit. What a shame! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I agree this guy needs a stern talking to but by the sounds of it so does the trainer for allowing it to happen.
Jason
Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant.
I see the officer trying to maintain cover with a gun drawn, and the dog breaking and "going for his reward". I don't see a bite roll. The officer's gun is not holstered. The dog was probably sport trained to heel and do other obedience using a toy handed to him from the right side, much as drawing a gun is done, and the dog's conditioning is causing him to go for the "toy". You can hear the officer saying, "Sit", and the dog going for the "gun". I have to give credit to the dog...he's not submissive, AND he's not biting the crap out of his handler.
VERY interesting video, as far as high prey drive sport dogs taught to obey using toys, and then going to the street!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
If he's trying to make people sick, he's accomplished his mission.
I have a dear friend (and fellow Briard owner) who is a detective in Baltimore. I am sending her this link so she can find out if this ass is still working with K9s. Let's hope NOT!
T
First off I DONT AGREE WITH THE TRAINING METHOD USED HERE!!!! but waht some of you fail to realize is PSDs are used as a tool for law enforcement to do their jobs. The handler LOOKED to be teaching the begaining stages of tactical gun fire behind the cruzier. Now none of us know the dogs history maybe he has bitten the handelr before during this and he needs to get tougher on him to prevent it I don't know. But to report him to anyone other then his Kennel master is stupid all that woild do is take a team off the streets and if you notice he works or is training in Baltimore. That is a rough area to work in. I can see everyones distress and I think the handler has alot to learn about training. But a sport dog and a police dog are two different animals.
When people get scared they call the police..When the police get scared they call K-9!
The poor handler has been trained poorly.
He has a big flat collar on a dog that is being unruly and has no means of administering a correction or manipulating the dog into the correct behavior to provide a reward for correct behavior.
This LOOKS awful but as you watch do you even see the dog's tail stop wagging, do you ever see an expression of body language on the dog's part that says he's at all impressed with being tossed around????
hell, the dog is an athlete here, in good shape, having a good time doing what has acheived results in the past.
Everyone oohs and ahhs at the dog going 30mph into a decoy, and his body whipping around and snapping with the momentum of the impact. That is seriously more physical than being rolled around on the grass and straddled.
The idea here is the "alpha roll" a seriously misunderstood technique that is being used as a correction which it should normally be used for.
I personally see very very very limited use of this technique if it should be used at all.
I feel badly for the handler here, being coached to use this technique probably by someone seen as expert.
I did some checking . I know it has been discussed here in the past but couldn't find it .
PETA made a big stink about this in May 2003 . Even when the story broke the K9 Handler had already left the unit and the K9 had been retired . No need to report this it's already been dealt with .
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