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#90236 - 11/25/2005 06:57 PM |
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My whole point, is there are a lot of people saying they work their dogs, but don't. They get one picure of their dog biting a puppy sleeve or suit, and try to tell everyone they have working dogs.
I think one of the problems with working dogs in this country, is that many people say they have working dogs and they don't.
my whole point is that who cares what other people say about their dogs? is it really setting back the breed if somebody says they have a working dog that has bitten a sleeve 2 or 3 times in its life? is that any different than someone with a shutzhund title calling their dog a working dog because it spends two hours on the weekend training with their club?
I'm just saying that it's arguing semantics. this breed bigger problems than people claiming their dogs as "working dogs"...
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#90237 - 11/25/2005 08:08 PM |
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ok people, i just watched a colored bull terrier win BIS at the Nat'l Dog Show, and i have a question.
the commentators went on and on about his beautiful wedge-shaped head--how does form follow function in this case? i promised the kids i'd ask you'all, so now i wait for the answer.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#90238 - 11/25/2005 08:45 PM |
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-how does form follow function in this case?
Ann,
I don't think it does. I think the show ring produced an overstated "type" in bull terriers.
This is a photo I got from Diane Jessup's website, showing what the bull terrier used to look like.
http://www.workingpitbull.com/images/11Bullter.jpg
Andy.
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#90239 - 11/25/2005 08:54 PM |
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Tim,
A few questions, and I am not trying to start an arguement. How many dogs have you trained, or titled? What makes you think that 2 hours of training a week, is all it takes to title a dog in Schutzhund?
Also, working and titling my breed, is not as important as fighting BSL. I realize that, but isn't this a working board.
The bottom line is people need to do something positive with this breed. A simple companion dog title, is too much work for most of the APBT owner/breeders.
Also, if titles do not matter, why do police departments buy dogs that have PH titles, or SchH titles, or dogs down from those lines?
So, do you own a pit bull or amstaff?
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#90240 - 11/25/2005 09:15 PM |
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Tim,
A few questions, and I am not trying to start an arguement. How many dogs have you trained, or titled? What makes you think that 2 hours of training a week, is all it takes to title a dog in Schutzhund?
Also, working and titling my breed, is not as important as fighting BSL. I realize that, but isn't this a working board.
The bottom line is people need to do something positive with this breed. A simple companion dog title, is too much work for most of the APBT owner/breeders.
Also, if titles do not matter, why do police departments buy dogs that have PH titles, or SchH titles, or dogs down from those lines?
So, do you own a pit bull or amstaff?
no, i do not own either of those breeds. never have, never will (not because i think negatively about them, they're just not my cup of tea).
with that said, i am a police k9 handler. i'm on my third dog (two GSD's and my current, a dutch shepherd with an IPO title). in no way did i mean to say that 2 hours a week is all it takes to get a SCH title. i meant that a handler that has got their SCH title, then trains with the dog 2 hours a week.
i never said titles don't matter. i'm just saying it's not the be all, end all of a particular dog or breed for that matter. there are many, many titled dogs that are not suitable for police work. i would much rather have gotten my dog at 18 months with no title than get him at 30 months with his IPO title.
again, i don't mean to diminish the good of a title. i think it is good for the dog that was meant to work (herding, protection, etc.) but cannot. it's a great way to get that energy burned off and create a controlled animal. it just doesn't fit my definition of a "working dog"...
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#90241 - 11/25/2005 09:40 PM |
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Hi Tim,
Yes, we all have are own opinions, and are free to express them. That is what is so great about living here in America.
Your Dutch Shepherd has an IPO title? Cool! Could you tell me a little about him? I love the dutch shepherds. I have worked some very nice ones. A friend of mine has some good ones. He is a retired k9 handler from detroit PD. He has also competed in USPCA for fun. My training partner has one also, it is in trainng for patrol work. It was donated to his department. My fiance also owns one, she just got her SchHA on hers. They are great dogs.
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he just turned 3 last month. he was certified for patrol work about 3 weeks ago. i've had him for almost 4 months. he is very energetic and has a zest for the work. his flying, fully airborn apprehensions are fun to watch. that type of bitework has never been seen at my department as we only had GSD's prior to my dog. i'm hoping to goto narc school sometime early next year, if not later in the year. you can see a picture of him here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/str8_cheeze/Camo-1.jpg
he came from holland with the name of Boy, but you could see how that might not be so politically correct over here, so i went with the name that our importers 10 year old son gave him: Camo, as in camoflage...
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#90243 - 11/27/2005 07:05 AM |
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Hi Tim,
Camo is a good looking Dutch. He kid of looks more like the KNPV style Dutchies. I like his length of leg. Did he come with a pedigree? I know that many of the good DS are not registered.
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#90244 - 11/27/2005 08:09 AM |
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"What makes you think that 2 hours of training a week, is all it takes to title a dog in Schutzhund? "
2 hours A WEEK?
I train at least one time EVERY DAY.(obedience tracking) as wella s training with others once a week.
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#90245 - 11/27/2005 10:25 AM |
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so is it better to get a "green dog"and learn it things from scratch? or have a titled dog and have to work on the "unwanted" things its learnt to get them out again?
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