so if you had to pick one, will, which would it be? this kinda reminds me of college, when we had grad and post-grad students teaching "101" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> they had a hard time getting down to our level, but you learn to just keep asking until they remember the basics, so they can share them with you.

and the book doesn't HAVE to be fron ed's selections, either, i'm indiscriminate when it comes to recommendations (and we have a "border's" in town, AND, i have a library!)

i need to go to the OB forum and check it out also, but try to get to my level, and pick your favorite, ok? thanks, appreciate it, and so will my dog...

Why don't we go back to basics? Lets start with the type of dog. What kind of dog do you have, how old, and what kind of training have you done so far?

For protection dog Helmuts book is a great source of info. Ed's dvd on first steps of defense is great . I have wasted my money on several other books , tapes these two are well worth it.

jeff--yeah, let's go back to the basics.
1) i don't have a dog yet--i'm trying to get ahead of the game a bit because both of my dogs are older (8 & 9 yrs respectively, and both are rescue/shelter dogs, respectively).

2) i'm looking at 2 yrs before i actually purchase a pup because i want to a) research bloodlines/kennels before i make the investment, and b) get some sort of handle on the training/groups, needed/available in this area--so i can go to watch, at least, so i can communicate to a breeder just what i'll be using the dog for, so the breeder will be able to REALLY help choose a pup for me.

so, with that said, i'm looking for recomendations on good books (and i agree with will-OB is the first, maybe MOST important basic step), to start off with. (BTW--what's the dif between french ringsport and American?--i know, i know "search the forum"; but i have SO MANY questions...)

oops--my cat just grabbed the dobe's rear-end--what a hoot!
the cat is NOT scared of the dogs... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

anyway, this doesn't answer your questions. i'm not looking to do much with the dogs i have; the shelter dog has blown both knees (talk about prey drive--she has it), and the dobe, at best, will be good to experiment on how to correct over-correction in OB. and that may very well be where you guys help me the most over the next 2 yrs. neither one is a candidate for what i'd like to do. that's the short answer. and, yes, SOME people say i talk too much, ok???

but i hope this helps you answer the original question... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I guess getting a tape on marker training would be the first step, Ed has one. Then I would see if there is a ring club nearby, NARA has a site, ASR has a site, and Mondio has a site. They will all tell you who is close, and you can go visit. As far as getting a dog....Whooooo there is a lot of choices. That is your road.

see, this is how out of it i am--"marker training"? i do long-line/tab-line training; again, i've been influenced by bill koehler, and haven't had a pup since 1980--because i've been better able to help dogs in general (and it's worked for my life) by rescue/shelter dogs. so this whole concept at this point in time is new. cool, learning, but i'm WAY behind in the training end... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

hope i don't scare anyone too much--but i don't think i'm an idiot, and i'm not too old to learn <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Well, There is a gentleman that does seminars that is good at this type of training. His name is Mike Ellis. His site is Loups de soliel and his schedule should be on there. If he is in your area, go and watch. Good stuff!

oh, i'm not saying that this is the only kind of training i'm willing to do, i'm just saying that i'm 25 yrs out of the training game. that's why i'm asking for book rec's...

maybe i'm not being clear.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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Ed sells FR tapes!

French Ring Sport Video 107
French Ring Seminar Video 604
Now if only we can get Ed to film an ASR trial...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Egads, I didn't know!!! Again, how horribly embarrassing!! Note to self- explore the website a bit more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Not to HTT (Hijack The Thread) but I would put good money down on an ASR vid. Not that I'm in any danger of competing any time soon- no MR or ASR up here in the Great White North- but I think it would be very exciting to watch.

Corey,
We are working at the Board level to get an ASR tape that covers the Entry Level and ASR I so that prospective handlers can see the exercises in advance of a trial.
We're gaining about seven new members every trial now, and we're averaging a trial a month, so this is a period of big growth for the sport.

Not to mention that they're pretty cool to watch! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />