Maybe Randy meant that "serious" can mean anything at all.
I too cannot speak to his intentions -- that was just the way I read it.
I got confused as to which post on which page this was referring to. A side effect of a 20some page thread, LOL. Like I said, I should know better than to try to get into someone's head...especially Randy's!
Ray-
The reason the military wanted to wait until two is because their training is conducted in compulsion and defense.
If you try that with a dog under two- the failure rate is 100%.
Over two, the failure rate is lower.
They don't use much prey or positive reinforcement.
When are they going to learn... these military trainers... No offense to any military peoples here on the board...I appreciate all you do for our country . I wonder what their failure rate is after they are two years old.
I can see that it cuts out alot of costs, (raising the pups for two years)minimal hands on...
...are their training goals similar to a PSD. Apprehension/bitework, detection, etc... Any body know?
Al,
Have you read the entire thread?
All ten gazillion words? If you had then you'd know that prey is good. Everyone agrees on that. Some like it more then others. Some think it's the be all and end all. Some think there's to much 'other' given up to gain the extra over the top prey.
For instance: as much as you like it, don't you think there is something fundamently wrong and missing in a dog that will run for prey/play until they drop dead? As I said, prey is or should be self extingishing. It is survival at it's most basic.
Read the entire thread. Then come back with your thoughts.
Prey is survival? My dog going after the ball is surviving? lol Defense is survival Ray.
It would be nice in general to see some video of what different people see as high drive etc then we can get an idea of how everybody views drives, i'll go take one now of lily surviving and put a link up in awhile!
Yes Al,
Prey is a basic drive. And yes Al, it is linked to survival of the animal.
That some channel it toward play is to; 1, just give the dog an outlet for this over whelming desire the dogs have and can't help, and because they have no real work for them, they play at making something prey. And 2, it's used by most to train the dog in the disciplines the individual handler desires.
That is also why I think few, if any, knowledgeable trainers talk about prey without also saying play. ergo, the prey/play reference.
Go ahead look it up, talk to who ever you want. Prey and play are intrinsically linked.
And yes Al, once again, prey is a primary survival instinct.
Thanks for making my muddy rumblings clearer Connie.
The prey instinct has been carefully nurtured in the GSD over the course of close to a 150 years now.
It serves to get the wording right if nothing else.
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