I was worried you might come back with something like that.

Does that mean one more pump or two?

I did get your question about the bottle directions though. It's pretty vague at about a pump for every 25 lbs and says 4 pumps for 75 and up. When they hit 100 lbs I give them about 5, but that's taking into account my half pump judging abilities and I wouldn't put money on those.

It gets into specifics but again, I really have no idea what those mean. DHA – 210, EPA – 300, Omega 3 – 925, Omega 6 – 100. It adds up to around 7700 with the 5 pumps but quite often my half pumps are almost all the way down making it closer to 6. This is why I said he's getting around 10,000 already.

Echo, who's got about 30 lbs on him gets 6 and a bit. And we won't talk about those days where 3 of the exact same stainless steel bowls are sitting on the counter, two almost the exact same amount of food, one has 2 and a half pumps, the other has 3 and a bit and the two pumper gets set in front of the face of the 3 pumper and vise versa.

A scientist and a baker I am not. Measurements are not my forte.

One more pump or two works really well though, sort of.

I promise I'll get back to the thread tomorrow.

I stuck a Postit on my computer. This means it WILL be done.

No worries at all Connie, not a priority in the slightest.

But knowing Vince's salmon oil has a sticky on your computer put a big, warm smile on my face.

http://www.biologicvet.net/products/biojoint/

I've started this supplement.
Even though Tucker has no joint issues yet, after having to put my previous dog down because of severe arthritis, I promised my next dog was going to get some sort of joint supplement before it was too late.

Im hoping someone else can click on that link and see if it's something that would be helpful for vince.

 Quote: CJ Barrett

.... I did get your question about the bottle directions though. It's pretty vague at about a pump for every 25 lbs and says 4 pumps for 75 and up.

If I wanted to give a gram per ten pounds of dog, and I had a 100-pound dog, I'd get the pump bottle out and see how many pumps it took to fill two measuring teaspoons (full, not scant). Then that would be the number of pumps I would give the 100-pound dog.

Or I would simply use the measuring spoons each time.... either way.

A measuring teaspoonful is about 4.75 grams, or a gram per ten pounds for a 45- to 50-pound dog.

I would probably add the fish oil just as I was about to set the bowl down to avoid the dosage mixups, or somehow mark each dog's bowl. (Not sure how, with stainless steel, though.)

For their E, I'd probably get the 200 IU size gelcaps: one for the 30-pound dog on fish oil, three for the 100-pound dog on fish oil, and I don't know the size of the third dog on fish oil. (I keep saying dogs "on fish oil" because these size doses are because of the E used up in the dog's body's processing of oil supplements.)

And actually, for the 100-pound dog on fish oil, I went to a seminar once where the nutritionist preferred 500 IU for a 100-pound dog; it's very hard to find 100-IU caps, so he gave 200s, three one day and two the next, alternating every day. Sounded good to me.

JMO!



ETA
I got to rip a Postit off my computer and throw it away!

BTW, I love the relatively new Super Sticky Postits http://www.post-it.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Post_It/Global/Products/Notes/?PC_7_RJH9U5230OT440II987MUE3CM3000000_nid=CJGBQNSDBKgs20914V5CD9gl4PJDZ26BMLbl for the wall, the desk, the computer, etc. Perhaps a tad too sticky for thin or delicate paper (like some book pages), but great for a note on the door that says "get RMBs."

Edited by Connie Sutherland (03/19/2012 09:43 PM)
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Glad to hear the good new CJ.

Connie I'm glad you posted the gram to measuring spoon I've been using the not so accurate pump method. Though I've heard that scant isn't real accurate for recipes anyway I'm sure everyone has there version of not quite full.

So with that said would you give an 80lb dog two scant teaspoons?

Also would to much salmon oil cause loose poops?

Close enough for horse shoes and hand grenades.



If you work up to the gram-per-ten-pounds dose, no, it's extremely unlikely to trigger diarrhea, IMO.

To put it into perspective, one beef hotdog averages 14 to 16 grams of fat. Even a chicken one is in the 8 to 10 gram range.

A lot of sudden fat of any kind in the diet will give some dogs diarrhea. But the amount of fat that's in one chicken frank for an 80-pound dog ---- not a lot of fat.


JMO!

Wow Connie, I would have never thought to use a measuring spoon, never in a million years. A pump was a pump and equaled about 25 pounds. When I try to figure out the actual poundage thing as they grow, I've just been dividing a pump into quarters for about every 6 lbs. Talk about complicated.

But a measuring teaspoon equals 4.75 grams of this stuff...really? How simple is that. I knew you would come back with something brilliant but that's pure genius. Wow, truly learn something new every day.

And as for the dogs, there's Echo - 138 lbs (6 pumps), Vince - 109 lbs (5 pumps) and Garrett - 83 lbs (4 pumps) give or take. (not sure where you got the 30 lber from but if he's cute, I'll take him )

We've always added it to both meals. That half pump thing sucks because the plunger needs to be down to lock so that's why Vince sometimes gets 3/4 and Echo gets the last 1/4.

They weigh a bit over the pump amounts so yeah, I just kind of figured it all came out in the wash.

Just reading this complicated stuff I'm doing and your plan for the vitamin E, I'm thinking why aren't I just giving Vince 2 in the morning and 3 at night. And I guess another question, they get all their vitamin E (400 iu) at night. I had no idea they came in 200, well, I guess I just never thought about it.

I wish I would have read this before their dinner tonight but I'll teaspoon measure tomorrow. Brilliant, sheer genius. I'm with Joe, thanks so much for posting that!

And those post-it’s sound pretty sticky. The ones we have at work, if you touch the stickiness, it seems to fade right away. We could use something with a lot more power. Gonna mention them at work. I’ve always had a preference for the hot pink ones and I see they have them too.

You're just a wealth of information. Thank you!!

Just reading this complicated stuff I'm doing and your plan for the vitamin E, I'm thinking why aren't I just giving Vince 2 in the morning and 3 at night.

I got lost here. Two whats in the morning and three at night?


And I guess another question, they get all their vitamin E (400 iu) at night. I had no idea they came in 200, well, I guess I just never thought about it.

Actually, they come in 100 and 600 and 800 IU too, but 100 in natural E is very hard to find (at least for me). And I never see 500 at all. (200 isn't everywhere, either, but it's a lot easier to find than 100.)

"A pump was a pump and equaled about 25 pounds. When I try to figure out the actual poundage thing as they grow, I've just been dividing a pump into quarters for about every 6 lbs. Talk about complicated. "

Yes, what annoys me is the different pump sizes in the different bottle sizes! I understand that it's probably because of the longer tube in the taller bottle, but it seems that they could have dreamed up something more uniform among their own products.

OTOH, dogs mostly seem to just love that Grizzly oil. Mine seem to love them all, but the Grizzly makes their tails wag when they smell it.