Quote: Connie Sutherland

I got lost here. Two whats in the morning and three at night?

OMG...just reading that again made my head spin, it's really not that bad standing at the counter.

If I followed myself correctly, I was talking about the salmon oil there. Instead of 2 1/2 and 2 1/2, just two in the morning and 3 at night. Wow does that sound easy.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

Yes, what annoys me is the different pump sizes in the different bottle sizes! I understand that it's probably because of the longer tube in the taller bottle, but it seems that they could have dreamed up something more uniform among their own products.

Yeah, what about putting teaspoon measurement on it even. You should tell them Connie and get royalties for the reduction in customer confusion.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

OTOH, dogs mostly seem to just love that Grizzly oil. Mine seem to love them all, but the Grizzly makes their tails wag when they smell it.

Mine do too! I've bought the big 64 oz bottle but it's around a bit too long for my liking. The 32 oz bottle is perfect for us. Lasts about 3 weeks, just perfect for the freshness factor as far as I'm concerned.

OK so 2 scant teaspoons it is and 400IU-E.

I better lay off the hot dogs.

So with my measuring/pumping abilities, one pump was exactly one teaspoon. How interesting is that. But by those measurements, wouldn't I be double dosing them?? The bottle says 25 - 50 lbs gets two pumps. Now I'm confused again.

And I agree Joe, we're probably better off just enjoying our four legged dogs.

But is that with a 16oz container or 32 or 64? I'm interested to know if the larger ones pump more it might have a bigger tube, but maybe they thought of that smaller tube but longer is same as short but fat.
Well if we use the Connie pro method or CPM for short. 1g per 10 lbs then you might want to use 2 full teaspoons, 100lb dog, 10g of salmon oil a full teaspoon is 4.5gx2=9 so maybe 2 real full or just overfull teaspoons.

If you want to get technical you need the density, or weight per ounce, of the oil each liquid will have a different density, and therefore a different weight per ounce, but the calculation is the same
the calculation for grams is
1.5 (ounces) * density = grams

Geez almost missed your post here Joe, so many interesting threads going on out there.

That's with the 32 oz. I only got the 64 oz once and won't do that again. It was too big and I thought it would never end. 32 oz is perfect for us. I love the fresh sea smell when they're first opened. The big one seemed to take forever.

I'm pretty sure the measurements were the same though. Don't know about the little one. Never used one of those. Bet it would be handy though. A week away camping or something but just never brought myself to buy a little one.

And I love the CPM brand. Nothings failed yet.

So based on CPM, less the technicalities, nobody got half pumps today. Boy was that simple. I figured I may have been overdosing them a bit anyway so we cut back and it's created a much more convenient dosage.

Brilliant, simply brilliant. CPM all the way!!

 Quote: Joe Waddington

... If you want to get technical you need the density, or weight per ounce, of the oil ....

I initially did include the missing middle step in my post about grams to teaspoons, but it seemed like TMI and I deleted it.

I didn't use water when I first calculated fish oil metric-to-Imperial (gram to teaspoon) measurements. Oil, of course, weighs less than water (it floats on water), and it's a weight-to-volume conversion. I used a point about halfway between water and soy oil, because I happened to have the three fluids on hand and (here's the super-science-y part) the fish oil seemed to be somewhere between them to me. (Again, when you're talking about something like a teaspoon of fish oil, being in the range of similar fluids is going to be close enough for me.)

We should put a note here that the Grizzly pump instructions are pretty good and that in real life, it's not necessary to read this thread in order to use Grizzly.

However, using a non-pump liquid (as I often do), it's handy to know that at a gram per ten pounds of dog, a measuring teaspoonful is about a 45-50-pound dog's worth.

It will save someone some reading and all the technical mumbo jumbo.
Just have a link to CPM (heroine)when someone is looking for this info and have the Grizzly pump specs with it.

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For their E, I'd probably get the 200 IU size gelcaps: one for the 30-pound dog on fish oil, three for the 100-pound dog on fish oil, and I don't know the size of the third dog on fish oil. (I keep saying dogs "on fish oil" because these size doses are because of the E used up in the dog's body's processing of oil supplements.)

And actually, for the 100-pound dog on fish oil, I went to a seminar once where the nutritionist preferred 500 IU for a 100-pound dog; it's very hard to find 100-IU caps, so he gave 200s, three one day and two the next, alternating every day. Sounded good to me.

CJ, not sure if this helps at all, but I just noticed website carries Vit E. at 100-IU.
http://www.monicasegal.com/Vitamin_E_IU.html

Hey Joyce, I can't thank you enough for all your research knowledge on these supplements. Just a bit of an update in that department.

Bob really liked the idea of getting him on Glucosamine too so we started him Sunday. We don't know if it has anything to do with it but yesterday his poops were quite round and rock solid. And one thing that's really had me cringing thru all this is when he does poop. It seems to put the most pressure on his lower back end in the injured area.

He's had fairly normal logs throughout this whole ordeal. No straining, but the unsteadiness shows the discomfort he must be in.

Well, with yesterday's poop, not only was there the lower than normal posture but he was straining. His back legs were actually shaking a bit. Then out with the hard, more rounded logs.

The only real changes are the lack of prednisone in his system and addition of glucosamine. So we decided not to give it to him last night or today and things seemed to have loosened up a bit tonight (a bit more liver with his breakfast too).

It may have absolutely nothing to do with it but he's got a touchy system as it is so we're going to hold off on it for now.

I did pick up some Licorice Root but the place I went didn't have any Yucca. She's got some on order for me though. I really need to be patronizing that working dog herbalist but he's quite a ways off my beaten path.

In any case, we're going to give his system some time to completely detox and then I want to see how he does on the Licorice Root. Bob likes the idea of it too so we'll probably start him this Sunday.

But it's great to know that you were actually able to find the 100’s. I've got to take a little look around here and see what's available. It just makes sense to give it to them in two doses along with both dowsing’s of salmon oil.

Connie simplifies and then she complicates.

And there’s that 30 lber again, in your quote. Elusive little beast but I'll bet he's cute. He's just not in my house...yet.

"He's had fairly normal logs throughout this whole ordeal. No straining, but the unsteadiness shows the discomfort he must be in.

Well, with yesterday's poop, not only was there the lower than normal posture but he was straining. His back legs were actually shaking a bit. Then out with the hard, more rounded logs. "

What's his diet? I forget. This should be fixed immediately, before he had round hard marbles. The usual first-try "fixes" are different for raw and kibble.

PS
Yes, glucosamine/chondroitin can cause constipation in some individuals.