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[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#91989 - 12/11/2005 10:40 PM |
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Will, where I said weapon, I meant pepper spray or walking stick, NOT a gun! I suppose I should have said "self defense tool" or "deterrant" instead of weapon.. my bad!
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Re: freakin' dogs and their freakin' owners--a ran
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#91990 - 12/11/2005 10:43 PM |
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I'm talking about showing a handgun to someone else ( hence my comment about the CCW ).
I carry a walking stick, perfectly legal...unless you brandish it in a threatening manner. If you're doing that, you'd better be in the midst of an attack. Or else you're breaking the law.
Defending yourself ( or your dog ) is kind of like the Yoda in "Star Wars" thing, where he says the line "Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
Get your self-defense game plan in place *before* something happens. If you wait until an event actually occurs, you've already lost.
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Re: freakin' dogs and their freakin' owners--a ran
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#91991 - 12/11/2005 10:44 PM |
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Alice, nice job there!
Ski poles would also fall under my idea of "weapons." Sorry folks, I didn't mean you should all brandish AK-47s and Molotovs on your next evening walk. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: freakin' dogs and their freakin' owners--a ran
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#91992 - 12/11/2005 10:45 PM |
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will, what is your dog defense plan? how would you have handled the encounter with the wolf?
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[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#91993 - 12/11/2005 10:49 PM |
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I carry a walking stick, perfectly legal...unless you brandish it in a threatening manner. If you're doing that, you'd better be in the midst of an attack. Or else you're breaking the law.
Do you mean hitting the dog or just using the stick as a tool to make yourself appear more threatening to bluff the dog away? Does the other dog have to land an attack first before the stick can be used or does the dog have to come in for an attack? What if the person attempts to scare the dog off with the stick, the dog doesn't budge but doesn't attack either, can the stick be used then?
Pardon all the questions, but it'd be nice to try and clear up this massive gray area.
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#91994 - 12/11/2005 10:53 PM |
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What if the person attempts to scare the dog off with the stick, the dog doesn't budge but doesn't attack either, can the stick be used then?
i'm interested in will's reply, but i would think using the stick on a dog that isn't attacking but just standing there would be foolish. it could provoke an attack that might not otherwise have happened.
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[Re: alice oliver ]
#91995 - 12/11/2005 11:01 PM |
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What if the person attempts to scare the dog off with the stick, the dog doesn't budge but doesn't attack either, can the stick be used then?
i'm interested in will's reply, but i would think using the stick on a dog that isn't attacking but just standing there would be foolish. it could provoke an attack that might not otherwise have happened.
Thing is, not everyone is good at reading dogs, and some dogs can be subtle, others may not be right in the head and could stand there one second then be latched onto a body part the next. Better to be safe than sorry and going to the vet/hospital, right? Of course I don't mean one should clobber every dog that walks up, but one just can't be sure..
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Re: freakin' dogs and their freakin' owners--a ran
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#91996 - 12/11/2005 11:04 PM |
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ok, so i'm walking down a trail, come upon a person with a dog, off-leash, the dog starts dominant/attack behavior upon my dog, who is ON a leash, at this point am i justified in defending myself/dog with any means available, ie, my walking stick?
is it the old law enforcement deal where you call and say my husband's drunk and he's gonna hurt me/kids, and law enforcement says, well, call me when you're at the hospital/morgue?
is this a state-by-state issue?--i kind of think it is, but the basic question remains. any answers out there?
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#91997 - 12/11/2005 11:11 PM |
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this question has been answered on the forums before, many times. you defend yourself and the dog, and if the owner has a problem with it and calls the cops, you tell them you were worried for your safety, the dog was being threatening and was off leash. you are off the hook.
in the scenario you just described, that dog would get a swift whack across the nose with my hiking staff if it didn't back off.
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This is off-topic for the thread, and really nitpicky, but I couldn't resist:
The majority of Americans can't be buggered to train their dogs.
I really, really, really think you meant "bothered". Like Will said, it's a family forum... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Er...yeah, that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Oh look--someone rearranged my keyboard...*clears throat*
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