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[Re: Andres Martin ]
#96265 - 01/30/2006 03:05 PM |
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as a matter of fact, i do know my dogs pedigree and yes, i'm familiar with the vastenow dogs and their record at least as far as reading about them goes. i have never actually seen one in person, but i know they're just about the only ones out there producing FCI registered working dutchies. that's about all i know about them. i don't know if they end up culling any significant numbers because of the tight breeding. i know very little, well actually next to nothing, ok, ok nothing about breeding. i was just thinking out loud and based on the human species, i wouldn't think that tight of breeding would be good. i have no proof to back that up. that's why i ended my last post with a question mark.
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Re: KNPV Lines
[Re: Andres Martin ]
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Im new in the dutch sheperd breed, but i have been a malinois breeder and handler for some time. And its like you say its very common with this type of breeding. And in all types of dogs from show to hunt and work dogs. Even horses and cows this is very common type of breeding so its nothing new. You have to realize that most breeds starts from a small group of animals so go back a bit in every pedigree and it looks like this.
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Re: KNPV Lines
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#96267 - 03/09/2006 01:52 AM |
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Her father is Jarno V.D. Vastenow and her mother is Cindy N.H.S.B. 2431577 .
I can send her on normal ground post that is why shipping isnt so expensive. Buy the way my fluffy did eat something bad today. It looks like my helpers left foot when it came out. But could be the cat next door. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I think i want to mate her with a male called Remon PH1. BRN 3757 he is on this link. http://www.x-mechelaars.de/Deckrude/deckrude.html
If it is of any help Magnus:
I saw the dog a few times in training and on his PH1 trial.
A really tough dog, with his own mind. Not the winning type on points, but for sure a real policedog.
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[Re: Selena van Leeuwen ]
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Thank you. I thoght so to. I have his PH1 trail on DVD. It is a realy good dog i think. Like you said. I think he will complete good in my breeding.
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[Re: Tim Martens ]
#96269 - 03/09/2006 11:24 AM |
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as a matter of fact, i do know my dogs pedigree and yes, i'm familiar with the vastenow dogs and their record at least as far as reading about them goes. i have never actually seen one in person, but i know they're just about the only ones out there producing FCI registered working dutchies. that's about all i know about them. i don't know if they end up culling any significant numbers because of the tight breeding. i know very little, well actually next to nothing, ok, ok nothing about breeding. i was just thinking out loud and based on the human species, i wouldn't think that tight of breeding would be good. i have no proof to back that up. that's why i ended my last post with a question mark. |
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Re: KNPV Lines
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#96270 - 03/09/2006 12:40 PM |
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Quote:A really tough dog, with his own mind. Not the winning type on points, but for sure a real policedog.
Please say this over and over. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So many people need to hear that you don't breed to the stinky points dog, but to monsters like this. I am American, so my voice doesn't count here. It has to be magically European. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
I really did like the video's and I love the pics.
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Re: KNPV Lines
[Re: jeff oehlsen ]
#96271 - 03/09/2006 01:05 PM |
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Does ASR or PSA count as a sport?
I've never been one to care about sports titles or points, I absolutely believe you can have an excellent protection dog that would fail in a protection sport. The only thing that I'm unsure about is whether ASR or PSA are to be considered sports or not. According to Robert VanCamp in a recent post, an excellent personal protection dog should be capable of titling in ASR or PSA... if you were to consider ASR or PSA sports with points, then by all logic, an excellent protection dog might fail ASR, yet still be more than capable of doing their job. What is the generally accepted opinion of ASR? Is it a sport or not? If it's not a sport then does it guarantee that someone who titles in ASR has a dog who will protect them? Or is it possible that a dog can be conditioned to do well in an ASR routine just like dogs trained for the Schutzhund BH are typically also trained in the same routine as the BH is performed in?
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[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
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I think you're confusing 'pass' with 'points'. Think of it as a test. At a certain level points don't matter, as long as it's above passing...
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Re: KNPV Lines
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#96273 - 03/09/2006 03:32 PM |
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Quote:If it's not a sport then does it guarantee that someone who titles in ASR has a dog who will protect them? Or is it possible that a dog can be conditioned to do well in an ASR routine just like dogs trained for the Schutzhund BH are typically also trained in the same routine as the BH is performed in?
I have seen this kicked around forever. A dog that will protect you, is gonna do it, whether you do a sport or not. He/she may not be very good at it, if not trained, but it is the character of the dog and not some silly drive thing. I do sport because I like the challenge. Some people do it to test for breeding, some to test if the dog will protect. Many have other reasons, but the bottom line is that a dog either will, or won't and sport work isn't gonna do much about that.
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[Re: jeff oehlsen ]
#96274 - 03/09/2006 03:43 PM |
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Quote:A really tough dog, with his own mind. Not the winning type on points, but for sure a real policedog.
Please say this over and over. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So many people need to hear that you don't breed to the stinky points dog, but to monsters like this. I am American, so my voice doesn't count here. It has to be magically European. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
I really did like the video's and I love the pics.
I will <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
@ Mike, if you have a real dominant dog, you probably lose some points in trial, ´cause he always will try to do his own thing. Usually (in knpv)is it not do the out in time or in several commands or go through with terugroepen (sorry don´t know an english equvalant) or will bite on the schijn (hold and bark?). Both cost 15 points..
You can (try) to prevent this, but you must break into the dogs mind and not a lot of trainers can do this, because you must be very experienced in dogtraining and reading your dog.
Spike is an example of a dog who wouldn´t make all points, if he earns about 420 in may we´re happy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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