http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=434660 - article in todays Milwaukee Journal Sentinal - it is interesting that they only had qoutes from trainers that think his methods are bad (if not evil)

At first I was put off by his show. But the more I watch it the more I agree (of course, I only raise dogs for pets). What it seems to me the point critics miss is that he only deals with and shows the worst case owners - the ones which have screwed up by the numbers. No one calls him to deal with the perfect lab that behaves great all the time. He is there after years of screwing up.

Nice article. Sounds like a lot of jealousy to me. I don't get it because to me his methods are basically just common sense. Isn't that Dodman guys method of dealing with dogs administering loads of medications?

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http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=434660 - article in todays Milwaukee Journal Sentinal - it is interesting that they only had qoutes from trainers that think his methods are bad (if not evil)

You're kidding. Two fellow animal behaviorists with two books competitive to Cesar Milan's that are putting out negative statements about him? This is troubling as there is no possible way those people would be biased about their positions on a wildly successful animal behaviorist with no formal education and a hit TV show. ;-)

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........You're kidding. Two fellow animal behaviorists with two books competitive to Cesar Milan's that are putting out negative statements about him? This is troubling as there is no possible way those people would be biased about their positions on a wildly successful animal behaviorist with no formal education and a hit TV show. ;-)

Oh, wait.... I thought we had that ROTFLOL rolly face........ dammit.

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Connie, I read this part of the article and laughed. Fan girls unite! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Powerfully built, sexy and flashing an irresistible smile, he moves with a dancer's grace...

Seriously though, the only thing I really worry about with his shows is the alpha rolls that he does occasionally, despite the "do not try this at home" that flashes every 30 seconds or so. I am kinda tired of "positive only" people continually bashing his methodology, which I found sound in general. They always say things like "oh, well, it's nothing new he's presenting..." and "it's barbaric how he man handles the dogs!" Perhaps it's because many of these trainers and behaviorists who criticize him won't touch an out of control 60 lbs pit bull, a 90 lbs GSD, or a 130 lbs Rott with a ten food pole. I guess it's better to literally kill the dog with kindness all the way to the one way trip to the vet! Now, I love positive reinforcement, but once the command has been learned, we need to introduce corrections. For many dogs, just saying no is positive punishment. I don't know what's the deal with them...I guess it is jealousy? If Patricia McConnell, Suzanne Clothier, or Jan Fennell had a national TV show, would we be having the same kind of fuss? No matter who was the "star," I think this type of show was waaaaay overdue, so if the other behaviorists/trainers want to get in on the act, go for it.

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....Seriously though, the only thing I really worry about with his shows is the alpha rolls that he does occasionally, despite the "do not try this at home" that flashes every 30 seconds or so. I am kinda tired of "positive only" people continually bashing his methodology,....

They are right that he does nothing new. They are right that he reminds many people of old-time trainers.

The big huge gigantic enormous unacknowledged elephant in the room is that he is dealing with seriously screwed-up dogs...... not "clean slate" dogs.

Not to mention the fact that he is just amazingly talented. He IS part dog - I swear it.

And the book, which addresses "regular" dogs, and not just severely screwed-up dogs, is far different in tone from the TV show.

If you look at page 222, you see that alpha rolls are addressed very seriously ---- and warned against very seriously. In essence, he is saying (I believe) that he can do this, but most people cannot and should not, and that he does it only when he thinks it's absolutely necessary.

I think it's human nature to resent and be envious of his huge success. As my daughter pointed out, even those other behaviorists who may NOT be envious will be thought of as envious if they criticize. LOL! I hadn't thought of that.....


P.S. All JMHO! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

i have not actually seen the show, so i can't compare it to the book. we don't have cable. but i do plan to rent the first year's episodes DVD when it is available.

from reading the book, i can't imagine what other trainers would criticize. he isn't a bill koehler style trainer at all. the book is about effective communication, anyway, not training.

i think it would be useful even for people who don't have dogs. there is much in there that would be helpful for dealing with children, spouses, bosses, co-workers, etc....

I was in the book store today looking for a dog book to take allong for a long road trip. Saw this book, remembered reading about it here, so I grabbed it. I haven't been able to put it down! A little voice inside me keeps shouting out "Yeah!! That's right! You tell them!" I just love it so far.

He isn't doing anything new at all. I love how he can put into words with so much clarity what to some of us is just doggy common sense. What I'm also really enjoying abut this book is how it feels like its comming right from the heart and is so personal.

oh yeah, I forgot to mention... this came to my mind as I was reading the book. From the articles I have read by Ed, he tends to be against allowing for multiple dog atmosphere. Even sais I think that he won't let his dog interact with other dogs (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the vibe I get, it's been a while since I've read his articles). With Cesar it's the opposite, he dumps a dog into a pack of dogs to get desired results. Food for though <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I don't think the key to success with your dog is either. The bottom line is being a leader to your dog that your dog can look up to, respect, and trust. I do wonder though about Ed's ideas of making a dog's bond stronger with a person by severing it's bond with other dogs. I don't think it's necessarily wrong. I equally wonder about Cesar's way of strenghthening the bond essentially by mimicing the bond the other dogs have developed with him. Both sides of the spectrum have interesting things to offer and their own pros and cons. From personal experience of working with a pack of dogs, I think you do get a much closer and more intimate bond with the dog when you single it out of the pack.

I have 11 dogs and they interact among each other all the time. I only have 2 pair that I have to keep apart from one another.

I have no problem bonding up with any of them. In fact, they cherish their alone time with me.