Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2006 02:37 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113292 - 09/07/2006 02:37 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Jan, I'm not sure what he may be allergic to either. Just trying to figure it out in the last several weeks. So I'm being told keep every last little thing out of his diet. W/Cindy and Connie's help this is what he gets: Chicken w/bone salmon oil Vitamin E The other other thing he gets is 3 small cubes of freeze dried beef liver treats. He loves cooked chicken. Everything else raw, he laps it up. It's just raw chicken he seems to resent <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> . And don't forget that food allergies are to proteins, 99.99% of the time (with chemicals being the remainder), if he has food allergies. So the produce with no protein, in limited number (limited ingredients in an elimination diet), would also be fine. (We talked about this, so I'm adding it for other readers here.) If you want a quick rule of thumb about protein-containing produce (possible allergens), you'd eliminate all starchy vegetables and all grainy vegetables. So no peas, no corn, no legumes, etc. I don't feed sugary foods either, for many reason, which leaves out carrots and peas anyway.
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Judy Troiano wrote 09/07/2006 02:39 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #113293 - 09/07/2006 02:39 PM
Judy Troiano Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2005 Posts: 979 Loc: New Jersey Offline	Connie, you think the low sodium chicken broth is ok on an elimination diet? The label of the can I'm looking at right now has a crapload of stuff in it, including autolyzed yeast extract. I'll find a place to grind the chicken first to see if he'll eat it. But you may be right about this being a transition period. I'll hold off on the grinder for now.
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Anne Jones wrote 09/07/2006 02:43 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113294 - 09/07/2006 02:43 PM
Anne Jones Webboard User Reg: 04-29-2004 Posts: 3825 Loc: Northeast Offline	yes, Judy I posted about all the ingreedents in broths on a post at the bottom of page 2. Try the ground meat first & see if you can peak his interest with that. Like Connie said it won't hurt him to have a couple of meals of just meat to better get used to the taste.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2006 02:56 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Anne Jones ] #113295 - 09/07/2006 02:56 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: yes, Judy I posted about all the ingreedents in broths on a post at the bottom of page 2. Try the ground meat first & see if you can peak his interest with that. Like Connie said it won't hurt him to have a couple of meals of just meat to better get used to the taste. And all stores nowadays carry ground chicken or turkey next to the ground beef.
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Judy Troiano wrote 09/07/2006 04:25 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #113296 - 09/07/2006 04:25 PM
Judy Troiano Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2005 Posts: 979 Loc: New Jersey Offline	Connie, I went and had the meat ground up - necks, backs, thighs. Keep your fingers crossed <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2006 04:44 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113297 - 09/07/2006 04:44 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Connie, I went and had the meat ground up - necks, backs, thighs. Keep your fingers crossed <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Any wagers open? I betcha he likes it! Even this foster who never had anything but the worst of the kibbles loooooved ground chicken (although he wasn't at all sure of regular raw chicken........ kind of rolled it around in his mouth and phoo-ed it out). Now he loves it all, ground, not ground, including THK. Under 3 weeks, too! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> And he went 7+ years with no raw.
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Ruth Counter wrote 09/07/2006 06:20 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113298 - 09/07/2006 06:20 PM
Ruth Counter Webboard User Reg: 11-16-2005 Posts: 185 Loc: Utah, U.S. Offline	Judy, Could you try a 50/50 raw to cooked chicken mix and increase the raw portion every few days until he accepts it happily?
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Judy Troiano wrote 09/07/2006 06:55 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Ruth Counter ] #113299 - 09/07/2006 06:55 PM
Judy Troiano Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2005 Posts: 979 Loc: New Jersey Offline	Hi Ruth. Good idea. I should have started out that way 9 days ago! (head slap) He ate every bit of the ground up chicken!! So I'm going to continue w/this and add cooked chicken in there too for a little change but, by Joe, I think I found my answer <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ! Thanks Connie, Ruth and everyone else with their great ideas <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> !
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2006 07:35 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113300 - 09/07/2006 07:35 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Hi Ruth. Good idea. I should have started out that way 9 days ago! (head slap) He ate every bit of the ground up chicken!! So I'm going to continue w/this and add cooked chicken in there too for a little change but, by Joe, I think I found my answer <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ! Thanks Connie, Ruth and everyone else with their great ideas <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ! Darn it. I should've insisted on a bet. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Seriously, I've never met a dog, even with difficulty transitioning from kibble to raw poultry, who didn't love ground-up everything, including the poultry he turned up his nose at. So I long ago concluded that it was a texture thing. I can tell you that they all gradually switched from ground to not-ground pretty fast, too. Good for you, Judy, that you have him on fresh raw food! Editing to say that I have always had the butcher grind the weight-bearing bones, so I feed the front of the bird as RMBs and the legs as ground meat-and-bone. But of course, if you're doing backs and necks and wings, there are no weight-bearing bones to think about.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 09/07/2006 07:40 PM Re: Is this safe? [Re: Judy Troiano ] #113301 - 09/07/2006 07:40 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Connie, I went and had the meat ground up - necks, backs, thighs. Keep your fingers crossed <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> OK ......... uncrossing now! <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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