The Dutch Shepherd still has open stud books in some countries so crosses are getting into the FCI pedigree system. Nico van Neerland is one such dog. So while you may call him a cross, you wont be able to call all of his offspring crosses, as some will have FCI papers.
You say it bugs you when people have a Dutch dog without understanding how the lines work? It bugs me when people think that FCI malis have correct pedigrees and believe they understand how the lines work
Alot of people do not understand just how many unregistered dogs have been put into the FCI bloodlines. The people with the unregistered KNPV dogs most likely have a better idea of the real ancestory of their dogs than the holder of an FCI Malinois does.
Four of the biggest malis who influenced the FCI malinois, namely Elgos, G'Bibber, G'Vitou DDP and Eik DDP all have false pedigrees. No-one in FCI malinois should be on any high horse.

Hell it's admitted that the Belgium Shepherd show people added Collies into their show Teurvs to make them more pretty.
Cheers

 Quote: Mike J Schoonbrood

If he was bred by Seven Pines then he is a Dutchie/Mali cross unless I'm missing something? All the dogs I've seen on the Seven Pines website come from the KNPV lines of crosses. Nothing wrong with that, some great dogs come from the crossed lines, but the solid color made me wonder why they would refer to him as a dutch shepherd rather than a malinois... as I said before, dogs born brindle are X/Hollandse Herders (meaning Dutch Shepherd cross) and dogs born solid are X/Mechelse Herders (meaning Malinois cross). In the US they are often referred to as Dutch Malinois' to distinguish between a papered mali and a KNPV crossed mali. I'm just gettin technical It bugs me when people own a dutch dog without understanding how the lines work and intersect.

GSD's can have false pedigrees too, never said anything about any high horse, n I wasn't talking about papered dogs at all. FCI papers or not, I will always consider a pup out of Nico a cross I don't have anything against crosses, the hardest hitting dog I've ever taken a bite from was a dutch malinois, but it's already hard enough to breed on known lines, let alone taking a dog with a different outcross in every generation of his pedigree. If you're gonna breed dogs then make sure you know what you're breeding is all I was trying to put thru. My comment about it annoying me when people don't understand dutch pedigrees is more of a "Why would you give a Ferrari to someone who doesn't appreciate cars" kinda feeling I have, if you don't understand where your dog came from when you have a dog with such an interesting background, then why should you breed him? Obviously Geneva has done some research on the breed, but there's still a ways to go I'm sure. The unpapered dutch dogs have by far the most colorful pedigrees of all working dogs I've seen... look at a papered dog and often you'll see "oh he's from Deux Pottois lines, oh he's a Klemm grandson" blablabla, look at a KNPV dutchie's pedigree n I find it interesting to see what got crossed where n if there's a photo I like seeing the appearance result too, I've seen some weird lookin Mali's crossed with GSD's There's alot more to learn with such a wide pedigree than with a dog who has 3 different kennel names in a 5 generation pedigree so alot more you should be aware of when breeding.

Mike,

My wife's young dog is a xHH dog bred to a black GSD bitch. You can see him here Wish

If you look at his pedigree it is Dutch xHH & xMH on top and working-line GSD's on the bottom

He is all black with brindle socks. Great working dog, very big though, 18 months old 29" tall 95 lbs.

Nice lookin dog, I've seen em with all sorts of combinations of colors, including very defined black saddles on a mali body which is by far the weirdest to me

I don't know about mali or dutchie bloodlines, but Wish has some nice gsd lines on the bottom!

My Louisiana Catahoula is black with brindle trim also. This is a common colour for a "solid" (non-merle) Catahoula.

I have never seen that colour combination on any other type of dog until now.

Fascinating.

 Quote: susan tuck

I don't know about mali or dutchie bloodlines, but Wish has some nice gsd lines on the bottom!

Susan,
His mom is a large part of the reason we were interested in looking at the litter, she's a nice GSD (on paper, too) and she has some good working siblings as well.

It doesn't hurt to have dogs like Arras Pegge and Nicky Verlee on the top side either