Re: Problems with raw feeding
[Re: Yuko Blum ]
#135332 - 03/27/2007 10:15 AM |
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A tip if he refuses the boiled chicken water
Brown the chicken meat & bones with a tiny bit of oil in the pot before you add in the water and start simmering... the smell and flavour from the browning will make the broth more appealing to a finicky dog.
A good way to check for hydration is to pull his skin away from his body. If he's dehydrated, the skin will feel kinda limp and will slowly fall back to the body. That would be a good time to whip out the pedialyte or to get him to the vet.
If he's well hydrated, the skin will be more firm and elastic and will bounce right back to his body when you let it go
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#135334 - 03/27/2007 10:30 AM |
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Connie,
Wouldn't trying some canned pumpkin (not pie filling) be something to try for Carbon? I always forget to mention that as I do not have to use it that often but do keep it on hand.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135362 - 03/27/2007 01:03 PM |
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Okay, here's the update:
Carbs was fasted yesterday and has not pooped at all. He didn't wake me in the middle of the night either. He's still peeing just fine.
His energy level does seem to be a bit lower than normal, but I assume that's because of all the stuff that's been going on with him, as well as the fasting.
He did start urping briefly this morning, but only for a short time and nothing happened.
This morning he had a late breakfast of one cooked egg with no oil or such and a ball of watery, well cooked rice that has a few small pieces of boiled chicken in it.
About 3 mintues after eating, he had a couple of non-productive urps and since then he's been urp-free.
I've been worried about pancreatitis, as well as impaction since he gulped those few raw meals...especially the half a cornish game hen.
I called the vet, and was told that the meal I gave this morning was fine. It was suggested that I make an appointment for tomorrow at 3:30 in case any symptoms show up again. It was understood that I could cancel if he seems fine.
So my question is, what should I expect within the next 24 hours if things are going well? Should he poop at all? If it's pudding, but not water anymore, is that a good sign or should his stools be 100% normal? I would assume that I shouldn't have any vomiting at all?
Tonight I'm planning on giving him a boiled rice/chicken dinner.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135363 - 03/27/2007 01:11 PM |
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Yes, I'd expect a poop by tomorrow a.m.
I personally think the rice mixture might be a little better than the egg -- only because egg yolk is pretty high-fat.
Good plan with the vet appointment.
P.S. I would make the dinner small.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135365 - 03/27/2007 01:14 PM |
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Oh, and the pudding-poop thing -- I'd be looking for a more formed poop next. Formed poop and no vomiting would go a long way to relieve my worries about an obstruction.
And I would still go slooooow and small, sticking to that bland diet for a few days and only gradually adding skinned, white-meat poultry to it.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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Good luck Amber, I know this must be hard on you
Maybe you can get the vet to do an X-ray on his belly to check for obstruction? I have no idea how a vet would go about determining that (Connie? ![:grin: smiley for :grin:](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif) ) but an impaction caused by bones should certainly show up very clearly on X-rays...
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135370 - 03/27/2007 01:35 PM |
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Amber,
If you take your pup while he is standing and run your hands along his sides and under his belly, what does he do?
Is it soft and pliable? Or is it firm or hard?
Does he gaurd it and move like it really hurts (maybe whines)? Or does he tighten up a little but stands there still (or as still as a puppy can)?
Keep in mind that his attempted impaling side may be a bit sore today.....
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135372 - 03/27/2007 01:44 PM |
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Yeah, that's what I think the vet will do if you do have to take him in.
I've seen a lot of those x-rays in a nutrition class. More toys and little pieces of hardware than bones, but yes, bones show up really well.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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the blandest raw food you can feed is chicken necks with fat and skin removed. i would feed him that for a week before introducing any other cuts or types of meat. any other part of the chicken is harder to digest and because of fat/skin could exacerbate the problems.
if he did get pancreatitis, he may be sensitive to fat for a while.
if he still has problems, remove all meat, cooked or raw, and no eggs. just plain, boiled WHITE rice ONLY. i'd make a huge pot of it and keep it in the fridge so it's ready to serve.
make sure if you serve chicken broth that all fat is removed! skim it off.
the next poop should be firm. there should be no more vomiting or heaving. if there is, go back a step, no meat, only rice, or fast again with plenty of water on hand.
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Re: Problems with raw feeding
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#135391 - 03/27/2007 03:06 PM |
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Amber,
If you take your pup while he is standing and run your hands along his sides and under his belly, what does he do?
Is it soft and pliable? Or is it firm or hard?
Does he gaurd it and move like it really hurts (maybe whines)? Or does he tighten up a little but stands there still (or as still as a puppy can)?
Keep in mind that his attempted impaling side may be a bit sore today.....
His sides feel like ribs ( ![;) smiley for ;)](http://leerburg.com/forums/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) ) and his belly feels normal...firm but not tight and hard. He liked the whole proceedure. I got some licks out of it. He didn't act like anything was sore, and I put pressure on various spots. He seemed fine.
His attitude has been good, and so far breakfast is still where it's supposed to be. Now I'm just hoping that it'll look like it's supposed to the next time I see it.
Alice, I got some necks today, frozen, so I'll have them when he's ready to move up in the raw world, skin-free of course. Also, I got notification that the Leerburg order containing the probiotics will be here by Friday, so if all goes well, that ought to be perfect timing.
Thank you all for being so specific about what to do. I'm feeling more positive now that I've gone almost a whole 24 hours without him totally freaking me out.
He's drinking a LOT of water, and peeing a lot. Is that anything that's relevant? He's always been a big water drinker...maybe I'm just being hyper-aware.
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