Out of curiosity...how old or how long til you allowed your puppy more time out of his/her crate?

He seems to be doing a little better. not so much when we leave though.

Oh i read that article by the way. Is it okay that i let him sleep in my kids room? Its in his crate and they don't take him out at all.

And right now I dont put a blanket in there unless it's night cuz i dont know when he will have an accident. Should I put one in there? I know the article says not to but it would seem more inviting?

I keep an old bathtowel in with my pups, that way if they have an accident they do not get soaked.
I think it is fine if the crate is in your kids room. Just make sure if they let him out, he goes right outside and make sure they do not let him out if he is throwing a fit.

Help!
how long before I need to worry about how much he is barking and pooping in his kennel? How many weeks or months? It's only been days since I started to kennel him up most of the day now. But I want to make sure that when I have to actually worry about it or not.
Yesterday he pooped while I was gone. Today on his blanket while I was upstairs. He had pooped shortly before putting him in and I took him out again before I put him in. So I know it's cuz he's alone!
He will bark for HOURS nonstop.
I have him in a corner of the kitchen. Should I put him somewhere else?
I also think that putting him upstairs in my kids room early on caused him to be like this?
I need some pep talk and help to understand what to expect cuz I'm getting worried that it's not going to get better!
My other dog was nothing like this and I know I can't compare the two but I dont know what I should be expecting. Should it be weeks or months that he will keep barking and pooping?

Does he have anything in his crate to keep him busy?
A chew toy, a small kong filled with peanut butter or cream cheese (you can also mix chunks of his favorite treat in with either of those)?
Have you tried covering the crate with a light towel or blanket (so he does not get too warm)?

My crates are kept in the areas with activity. I do not place them out of the way where they cannot see anything. This helps them learn that even though I am doing something, they can still be quiet.
I even have some stuff on top of their crates that I need once in a while so that they also learn that just because I walk over to their crate, does not mean they are going to be let out.
So, all of my dogs lay quietly until I open the door and ask them to come out.

If you are worried that being in the kids room caused some of it, move him to your room.

It will get better Lovella, just be firm and dillegent with your training. DO NOT let him "talk" you into anything. This is a big mistake, and the pup or dog learns early on that if they are persistent they will get rewarded for it.

It is similar to a tough love type of thing with kids.

Thanks for the pep talk I really do appreciate it.
Can this last months?
Its not him being in their room or my room that worries me it's just not having him be alone from the time we took him home. I think that putting him in their room from the get go may have created his anxiety ya know?
I guess by removing him now won't fix it.
His crate in the corner of the kitchen is where we are all the time and yes I have a kong and another chew toy in there. I dont give him the kong unless we are not home. When we are home he doens't get it.
I could probably handle the barking but pooping every time we are gone worries me. I know that dogs normally do not like soiling their beds so when he does this I get worried about the behavior.

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Thanks for the pep talk I really do appreciate it.
Can this last months?

It's up to you. Truly.

If you spend a couple of weeks really devoting yourself to taking him out often, keeping him tethered to you so accidents just cannot happen, praising like a nut for each good potty (and ignoring any accident that does happen, although the goal is to avoid it completely and wrap his little brain around the right way to potty), you can turn this around fast.

I've trained big and little dogs, and even though little ones have smaller bladders and have to potty more often, once that's factored in, I really can't say that small dogs are harder to train. I think that belief is perpetuated by owners of small dogs who put less energy into the housetraining because the accidents are not as dismaying as with big dogs.

Consistent upbeat training works really well.


P.S. As Al pointed out, you might want to get a vet checkup just to be really sure he has no health issues.

P.S.

QUOTE: He will bark for HOURS nonstop. END

I agree with Carol about letting his crate be in the social stream so he's not in a position of hearing stuff going on but unable to see it.

Otherwise, I'll bet he is getting a reward for it. I'll bet that he is getting attention or someone is giving him something he wants and teaching him that nonstop barking is worth the effort.

I did take him to the vet and nothing is wrong. I even took his poop in.

But how can I prevent him from pooping in his kennel when I'm gone? I would think that if I just crate him up all the time but never leave him alone he will still get anxious once we actually have to leave him. right?
So I have to leave sometimes. These two weeks I've only been leaving 1-2 hours or even just a few minutes at a time or even just up stairs. So he poops.
Today he's only eaten once and already has pooped 4 times since he woke up. I'm not overly feeding him for sure and I'm feeing him nutro lamb and rice.
His first poop normal - he does it every morning when he wakes up.
second normal - after he ate
third - while he was left alone and I was upstairs
fourth - cuz we went for a long walk
but if I were to leave again I bet he could squeeze and create poop!
I just dont see how I can prevent him from pooping when I'm gone and I need him to accept us leaving him. Will crating him up while we are home help him with this?

 Quote: Lovella Lagdaan

I did take him to the vet and nothing is wrong. I even took his poop in.

But how can I prevent him from pooping in his kennel when I'm gone? I would think that if I just crate him up all the time but never leave him alone he will still get anxious once we actually have to leave him. right?
So I have to leave sometimes. These two weeks I've only been leaving 1-2 hours or even just a few minutes at a time or even just up stairs. So he poops.
Today he's only eaten once and already has pooped 4 times since he woke up. I'm not overly feeding him for sure and I'm feeing him nutro lamb and rice.
His first poop normal - he does it every morning when he wakes up.
second normal - after he ate
third - while he was left alone and I was upstairs
fourth - cuz we went for a long walk
but if I were to leave again I bet he could squeeze and create poop!
I just dont see how I can prevent him from pooping when I'm gone and I need him to accept us leaving him. Will crating him up while we are home help him with this?

Have you incorporated any of the advice you've received here into your routine?

What everyone on the thread has suggested is that the dog does not quite get it yet and/or that he needs more frequent outings for potty so he can get it.

If you take the two weeks and do exactly what Ed's article and everyone here has suggested, consistently, praising and treating for successful potties and demonstrating to the dog that he will have ample opportunity to poop outside, you WILL see improvement.

We can't fix it in advance, on the internet.

You have to actually do the work. That includes out for potty BEFORE every time you leave him. It includes all the advice given (out of the crate, tethered to you so you can prevent all accidents).

That's good that you know he is OK physically! Now you have work to do.

QUOTE: Will crating him up while we are home help him with this? END

Probably, along with not rewarding for barking and everything else that has been suggested. :>