Quote: Amber Morgan

I admit it, this whole thing has had my paranoia gland working overtime from day one.

Except for the sudden death of numerous dogs and cats to kidney failure and the sudden sickness of many more others.

It was reported that China will not allow FDA inspectors into the country to investigate. Typical.

Let's put the blame where it belongs, the company who imported the poison, and the country who produced it. Anything else is speculation.

 Quote: Sandy Moore

 Quote: Amber Morgan

I admit it, this whole thing has had my paranoia gland working overtime from day one.

Except for the sudden death of numerous dogs and cats to kidney failure and the sudden sickness of many more others.

Sandy, I don't understand by what you mean by this. Could you clarify?

someone asked in a post about what other places were affected...we in south africa have been affected also...
and so far its not as big a thing as in the US but about 4 or 5 brands have so far been recalled...a major shopping group Woolworlths has there own brand and the entire range was recalled. the 2 top Vet selections Royal Canin and Vets Choice have been recalled...i kno the whole Royal Canin range and the MD range of Vets Choice has been recalled..i started feeding a mix of homemade and Raw. and i also have Montega classic dry pellets for my pups.Montega is made locally and all ingredients are local.Thats what my source told me though.

 Quote: Amber Morgan

 Quote: Sandy Moore

 Quote: Amber Morgan

I admit it, this whole thing has had my paranoia gland working overtime from day one.

Except for the sudden death of numerous dogs and cats to kidney failure and the sudden sickness of many more others.

Sandy, I don't understand by what you mean by this. Could you clarify?

Hi Amber - I thought you were referring to a paranoia over a PETA conspiracy cause of the quotes you answered to? So I posted a reminder of all the dogs and cats that had died or taken ill. Did I misunderstand? It's totally possible I did! I would think it was nearly impossible for anyone from PETA to get into China and into the factories that produced the poison. Was that what was being referred to as a conspiracy?

It's still early...need more coffee.

Hi Sandy! I wasn't talking about PETA specifically...I was talking about it being done for any nefarious reasons...be it to increase the protein amount, decrease cost, increasing shelf life, retarding spoilage, preventing vermin...whatever hypothetical excuse you want to choose from the constantly updated list of those that have been proposed by various higer-ups or federal "experts." It seems odd that with literally millions of people aware of this problem and wanting answers...no good ones are really forthcoming.

From the beginning of this fiasco I have thought that it was too incredibly widespread to have been an "honest mistake." As more ingredients have become effected, the less likely it is to me that it was accidental. I'm not normally a paranoid person, and I don't belong to conspiracy camps...but this story just keeps getting weirder and weirder to me.

And of course, I was taking into consideration all the pets who have died or become ill from this...that's what I meant. While accountability should be made for an accident or intentional act, it's an even MORE horrible scenario if it was done knowingly rather than as a "manufacturing mistake" as people were assuming in the beginning.

Basically, all I was saying was the information in the link that Michael posted was not a suprise to me and was along the lines of what I had been thinking from day one. In my post I didn't clarify who specifically I was paranoid about, I was just agreeing with two other people that were looking at this situation as intentional. While I don't think it would be impossible if a warped someone, incredibly devoted in PETA, wanted to get into China, I think it's much more plausible that this was done on a corporate level and related to keeping cost down and profits up.

Your response to my post just threw me off because it seemed like you thought that I was saying that the deaths were irrelevant and that couldn't be further away from how I feel.

Just to clarify!

Amber, sorry, I did misunderstand. I should have asked what was meant by conspiracy instead of assuming (my bad, please excuse). But no, I never thought you were saying the deaths were irrelevant! So sorry if what I wrote sounded that way, would never have thought that about you.

It was 4:10 AM here when I posted and the fog had not lifted yet so my thinking and writing didn't match...I'm guessing, cause I'm having a hard time making sense of my post

My two shepherds have been on the Royal Canin German Shepherd 24 for 3 years now. This formula does not contain any corn, wheat or rice gluten. It is not part of the Royal Canin recall, but it still worries me to feed my dogs a food that is manufactured by a company on the recall list. I also read recently about a class action suit in Canada regarding overage of Vitamin D3 in Royal Canin products. I started mixing Innova EVO into their Royal Canin a few days ago and now I have read that too much protein can be bad for dogs also. The Innova EVO Reduced Fat dog food contains 52% protein. The manufacturer told me on the phone that too much protein does not cause kidney damage but it can be hard on dogs with kidney problems. My shepherds are both spayed females and are only 6 years old and are in perfect health. I am so confused about what I should feed my dogs with all these recalls. Raw diet is not an option for me, I wouldn't even have enough room in my refrigerator to accommodate for 2 dogs and my family. Does anyone out there feed their shepherds the Royal Canin German Shepherd formula?

 Quote: Sandy Moore

It was 4:10 AM here when I posted and the fog had not lifted yet so my thinking and writing didn't match...

No worries, Sandy...My fog never lifts.

 Quote: Linda Taylor

My two shepherds have been on the Royal Canin German Shepherd 24 for 3 years now. This formula does not contain any corn, wheat or rice gluten. It is not part of the Royal Canin recall, but it still worries me to feed my dogs a food that is manufactured by a company on the recall list. I also read recently about a class action suit in Canada regarding overage of Vitamin D3 in Royal Canin products. I started mixing Innova EVO into their Royal Canin a few days ago and now I have read that too much protein can be bad for dogs also. The Innova EVO Reduced Fat dog food contains 52% protein. The manufacturer told me on the phone that too much protein does not cause kidney damage but it can be hard on dogs with kidney problems. My shepherds are both spayed females and are only 6 years old and are in perfect health. I am so confused about what I should feed my dogs with all these recalls. Raw diet is not an option for me, I wouldn't even have enough room in my refrigerator to accommodate for 2 dogs and my family. Does anyone out there feed their shepherds the Royal Canin German Shepherd formula?

Hi, Linda.

First the protein thing. There was an extensive thread about that issue recently (and many others prior to that one).
http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=33&Number=134995&Searchpage=1&Main=14439&Words=kidney+Connie+Sutherland&topic=0&Search=true#Post134995

Royal Canin has been discussed several times, too.

This is not an ingredient list I would choose. (These are the first few ingredients.)
Chicken, brewers rice, brown rice, chicken meal, chicken fat (naturally preserved with mixed tocopherols), soy isolate, cellulose, natural chicken flavor, sodium silico aluminate, beet pulp.

Here's a list I would start with:
http://www.leerburg.com/all-natural%20kibble.htm

Hi Connie,
Thank you for the information. I see that Innova foods are listed as a recommended food. I am still a little confused on the protein issue even after reading the thread you sent me. Is it possible that feeding my dogs the Innova EVO Reduced Fat could cause kidney damage? There is a huge difference in the amount of protein in the Innova and the Innova EVO, however, the regular Innova does contain some grains. Are these safe grains? I am not asking you to tell me what to feed my dog, I am just trying to get a better understanding of the dangers of a high protein dog kibble.

Thank you,
Linda