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For large scale disinfecting (without heat) your best bet would be to thoroughly rinse the meat and then freeze at very low temperature (minimum of -20 C) for several days. In the presense of sufficient moisture, the freezing process will cause most of the bacteria to die, or at least dramatically reduce its viability.
Citric acid (grapefruit juice) can inhibit bacterial growth, but would not be suitable for this use.
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Lesli wrote 05/22/2002 06:18 PM
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hello
I am new to this board and have an interest in BARF, but am not quite knowledgeable about it. I am baffled and I am sure there must be a good answer to this question, so please help if you can provide insight. If preparing raw food is so dangerous that we have to clean up with bleach, heat etc-isnt it dangerous for our dogs to eat? I do not mean this sarcastically in any way, it just seems paradoxical to me that we feed something to our dogs that is a health concern to us humans. I must be missing something and I came here to learn, so any response would be appreciated.
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Re: Raw Food Starter Questions
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#13498 - 05/22/2002 07:43 PM |
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Dogs in the wild are hunters and carrion eaters,
they also cache or bury surplus meat. Dogs have a short track digestive system compared to herbivores and omnivores and have digestive juices that are capable of digesting bone and strong enough to handle the inevitable bacteria load that they get from ingesting animals whole.
Dogs can handle some pretty strong, rank and decayed material without ill effects and thrive on it.
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Lesli check out http://www.barfworld.com this is Dr. Ian Billinghurst web site the author of your book, this site mainly deals with all natural feeding.(BARF)
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Lesli, I have a slightly different take on things. What is said above is true, dogs are better equipped to handle differences in diet. I also believe that bacteria (in reasonable doses) isn't really all that bad for humans. I wouldn't eat a chicken leg from the grocery store uncooked, but I do enjoy raw cookie dough, which includes uncooked egg. I tried sushi once, but I didn't enjoy it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Needless to say, I don't do a top to bottom kitchen bleaching after fixing meat, but I do wash the cutting board and wipe the counter.
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For those who are concerned about dangerous bacteria from feeding raw consider using apple cider vinegar. You soak the chicken in the vinegar. Vinegar is a wonderful natural disinfectant. The vinegar has wonderful benefits for the body, as well.
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Regarding bacteria, the wrong bacteria in any amount may be potentially fatal.  This is not an issue to be taken lightly. Not all bacteria are killed by vinegar or bleach. Any bacteria present on the meat or organisms in the meat will be present on the dogs muzzle and paws. It's the same as wiping the counter with a washcloth, now it's on the wash cloth. There is no easy answer or solution to the problem, just be as clean as possible.
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Lesli wrote 05/30/2002 02:44 PM
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Thank you for your replies. I don't eat grocery store chicken myself because I feel it is very nearly toxic waste, but organic free range chicken makes its way into my house occasionally. I just need to get up the nerve to feed raw bones to my dogs. It is definitely a leap of faith for me.
One more question-I'd appreciate any feedback on how long the people who feed raw have been doing so. I see lots of messages on this board and others saying dogs have been doing great after a couple months on raw diets-but has anyone been feeding raw foods long term? Thanks again!
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Lesli, I never worked up the nerve to feed the long bones, but I did feed the necks and backs, both chicken and turkey (which I could buy in packages along with the giblets, free range, hormone and antibiotic free, at my grocer), as well as oxtails.
Make sure that you avoid raw ground meats. With whole cuts, you can rinse off the surface, which is where bacteria will be found. With ground meats, you cannot.
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Lesli, I too was skeptical about the bones, but trust me after you see the powdery white remains leave the other end you will realize they can digest them just fine. If you are really worried grind the meats at home, after rinsing, and you can grind the bones as well.
I put this off for a long time while I researched it and talked to others who feed this way, after a week of the diet my 10yr olds teeth no longer needed to go in for a cleaning. Before the diet they were practically green with tarter. (ick!!!)
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