Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/11/2007 06:27 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #141387 - 05/11/2007 06:27 PM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	My female had a spiral fracture on her tibia when she was 4.5 months old and she is fine now. I have heard about clean breaks before that heeled just fine. With a little luck and a good vet he will be ok. S**t Happens is all I can say... alot of dogs break their legs, you hear all about it after its happened to you
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JasonFitzsimmons wrote 05/11/2007 07:10 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #141390 - 05/11/2007 07:10 PM
JasonFitzsimmons Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2007 Posts: 75 Loc: Alaska Offline	Thanks for everyones comments @ Connie: I feed her bones at least once a day almost all of the time unless I get some boneless stuff, I feed meat and then give them the bones after for desert While they chill in thier crates to let thier food settle. Her snacks (Eukanuba) Have all kinds of vitams and minerals in them. I feed blackberries, strawberries and yogurt at least 2x per week. "Don't take the fence down, until you know why it was put up."- Robert Frost
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/11/2007 07:33 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: JasonFitzsimmons ] #141393 - 05/11/2007 07:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: jasonfitzsimmons Thanks for everyones comments @ Connie: I feed her bones at least once a day almost all of the time unless I get some boneless stuff, I feed meat and then give them the bones after for desert Not to drive this into the ground, but "bones for dessert" sounds like recreational bones. http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm#RMB Recreational bones aren't what I mean about the calcium source. You didn't mean that, right? I'm glad it went well! I hope you keep us posted. :>
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Carol Boche wrote 05/11/2007 08:40 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: JasonFitzsimmons ] #141394 - 05/11/2007 08:40 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Since I got a surplus of donated ground meat I do supplement calcium with my Mal (she is a gulper so she gets all of her meat ground, and I do grind meat for her with the bone in) Her bloodwork came back great and the vet was happy. All of my dogs hematocrit /he·mat·o·crit/ (he-mat´o-krit) the volume percentage of erythrocytes in whole blood levels came back fairly high, which he said that meant they were in good shape. I was pretty happy about that. Editing in that this is the first time these were mentioned to me and I was asking questions, he said that he does not want to see them any higher but that they were good where they are. What percentage of meat with bone-in does your dog actually consume per day and what is her weight? Edited by Carol Boche (05/11/2007 08:46 PM) Edit reason: additional comment Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/11/2007 09:26 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: Carol Boche ] #141396 - 05/11/2007 09:26 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Just a quick note: Carol's calcium supplementation is a special case. Supplementing with calcium is not necessary or desirable with a balanced RMB-based diet, such as this one: http://www.leerburg.com/diet2.htm Hypercalcemia is no better than hypocalcemia. Sometimes we read about owners who think that a calcium supplement is good (on top of a balanced diet) for teething, for ear cartilage, and so on, but this is not the case. Carol researched calcium supplementation in order to be able to feed a nice free supply of boneless meat..... and so would I. But I just wanted to make sure this was clear: A balanced RMB-based diet supplies the calcium and phosphorous ratio the dog needs. And back to the thread. :>
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JasonFitzsimmons wrote 05/11/2007 10:47 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #141402 - 05/11/2007 10:47 PM
JasonFitzsimmons Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2007 Posts: 75 Loc: Alaska Offline	@ Carol: ISIS is 40 lb. and 4.5 months old. I feed her 2X per day sometimes 3. I give her 7-10% of her wieght per day 2.8 - 4 lbs of food. I split it 50/50 between her meals. But my pups only consume the smaller bones, sometimes they get turkrey necks, liver, kineys. But Im going to start buying whole chickens more until they are older. I also feed National brand kibble or puppy food for large breeds, i mix the meat and the kibble about 50-50. Lately she picks out the meat and shakes off the kibble, so I started using turkey broth with the kibble and she eats it all. Now I feel like I may have contributed to her injury due to my ignorance, I feel like jackass. I figured the puppy food would take care of her other nutrional needs. Connie thanks for the heads up and links. "Don't take the fence down, until you know why it was put up."- Robert Frost
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Carol Boche wrote 05/11/2007 11:02 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: JasonFitzsimmons ] #141404 - 05/11/2007 11:02 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Jason, I sent you a PM. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/11/2007 11:20 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: JasonFitzsimmons ] #141405 - 05/11/2007 11:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Poultry necks are good.... nice soft cartilage-y bones in them. If you aim for the bones-to-meat ratio of the whole carcass in whatever parts you feed, you'll be fine. Organ meat should be only 5-10% of the meat you feed. When you say 50-50 kibble and meat, the meat part should be RMB-based. Half of the diet is substantial, and should be balanced. By "smaller bones," if you mean that you feed backs and necks, that's great. Those are good RMBs. If you mean that half the diet is mainly muscle meat, then you want to modify that. Raw is simple, but there are a couple of important "rules." If the pup is picking out the raw meat, maybe she's saying "I want all raw!" The LB diet recommendations are a good, balanced, easy-to-assemble diet. http://leerburg.com/feedpups.htm And this forum can answer just about any questions you might have.
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Mike J Schoonbrood wrote 05/12/2007 02:23 AM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #141410 - 05/12/2007 02:23 AM
Mike J Schoonbrood Webboard User Reg: 04-30-2005 Posts: 2784 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	I feed my pups a diet of mostly chicken backs and necks for variation. 75% of their meal is backs (or necks, or combination of). 20-25% is ground beef. 5% is organs (on the 20% ground beef days). My pups have been eating this since 7.5 weeks old, if the diet is balanced then you can take kibble out of the equation entirely (I would!), kinda detected a hint of unsureness with feeding puppies bones there so just making it clear puppies CAN eat bones. My 6.5lb 10 week old dutchie was chomping away on chicken wings just fine.
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JasonFitzsimmons wrote 05/12/2007 03:04 PM Re: Freak accident : Broken tibia [Re: JasonFitzsimmons ] #141435 - 05/12/2007 03:04 PM
JasonFitzsimmons Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2007 Posts: 75 Loc: Alaska Offline	Well I brought ISIS home about an hour ago. She has a midshaft fracture to her left rear tibia. The surgeon placed a pin through the tibia and wrapped x2 1.0 mm cerclage wire on either side of the fracture. She has a wrap from her toe to her hip, and a pain patch on her right front paw. I have pain meds Rimadyl 100 mg. and Cephalexin 500 mg (antibiotic). I will post a picture later of my broken puppy when she feels a little better. She seems to be in good spirits considering the pain she must be in. She spent some time being loved by the family and fed some treats, I took her out to potty and now she is resting in her crate. Thanks for everyones support. I appreciate it. I am in for a long rehab period so this forum will help me through it. @ Mike No uncertainty about pups eating bones, as I stated earlier I feed them turkey, chicken necks but Im going to go the backs from whole birds. "Don't take the fence down, until you know why it was put up."- Robert Frost
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