I have had it with you......PERIOD.

I will have to agree to disagree. Not in any way trying to make todays discussions more complicated, but anyone who has Ed's dvd's will remember him saying "dog training is not breed specific, IT'S TEMPERAMENT SPECIFIC". A powerful breed (GSD/APBT/ROTT) with good nerves and training is a safer dog than a less powerful (Golden R./Grey hound), weak-nerved, fear biting dog.

I believe pack structure and temperament has much more control over a dog than just breed. If anyone disagrees, I'm all eyes. I'm very interested in learning more about this.

 Quote: lisa gonzalez

hello again,
now that's what i call dog talk. not this finger pointing and judging that was going on before with me.

Lisa,

Mike is again telling you what you were advised on the thread you started about two Presa pups.

What you feel is finger-pointing is the reaction of experienced handlers to someone making extremely inexperienced comments about a situation that hasn't happened yet, should not happen, and can still be modified.

Potty training is done. We have had them both for about 6 weeks now. We have had the female for about 2 months. She was almost potty trained by the time we brought the male home. He was easier to train because he had her as an example and was a bit older with more bladder control. It is tough raising two at once and I do appreciate the advice I am getting. Most of the negativity I take with a grain of salt. Many people do not understand my situation and cannot see it first hand even after I explain it. The details just cannot be expressed totally. So, I listen for the most part, but pay closer attention to those who have direct experience with Alaskan Huskies. I am sure you will do the same with your breed.
Good Luck!
Jen

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

 Quote: lisa gonzalez

hello again,
now that's what i call dog talk. not this finger pointing and judging that was going on before with me.

Mike is again telling you what you were advised on the thread you started about two Presa pups.

What you feel is finger-pointing is the reaction of experienced handlers to someone making extremely inexperienced comments about a situation that hasn't happened yet, should not happen, and can still be modified.

I'm going to stay out of this one as I already stated my point of view on the previous thread, but thank you Connie!

 Quote: alex corral

I will have to agree to disagree. Not in any way trying to make todays discussions more complicated, but anyone who has Ed's dvd's will remember him saying "dog training is not breed specific, IT'S TEMPERAMENT SPECIFIC". Meaning, a powerful breed (GSD/APBT/ROTT) with good nerves and training is a safer dog than a less powerful (Golden R./Grey hound), weak-nerved, fear biting dog.

I believe pack structure and temperament has much more control over a dog than just breed. If anyone disagrees, I'm all eyes. I'm very interested in learning more about this.

I understand what you are saying and I agree generally, but I think Mike's post explains what I meant - how the different characteristics of breeds often determine how you train, so you had better be pretty familiar with the breed you are dealing with (and all of its foibles).

Temperment is the biggest factor here, however, we all know that certain breeds have a general temperment. Hence the debate on whether or not breed has any play in a situation. Sure, there are extremes of every breed, but the general temperment of the breed should be the same.

Keeping dogs separate while they are being raised (and sometimes even afterwards) is of utmost importance.

I currently have 5 dogs. My GSD is inside the house, and our only house dog. We have 2 Catahoulas, both of which are hunting dogs and kept in separate kennels at all times. I also have an APBT that is kept separate and is an outside dog. And finally we have a very old mutt that wanders - he is the only one allowed to go wherever he wants. The kennels keep him away from the other dogs, and there is only supervised interaction between the mutt and Remi.

This is the ONLY way to ensure that we did not end up with a pack of dogs that did not listen to the humans. These are all hard breeds (except the mutt) and very determined animals.

IF! you are going to get 2 pups and keep them, they should be kept separate at all times.

Lisa anyone who gets two Presa pups is clueless - pure and simply. Especially after being warned. If you think you can reivent the wheeel - well take your wheel and go play somewhere else because we dont care to hear the BS here.

What you are doing is stupid - I would not say that at the first post but after you have been told and told and told and you dont care to listen from people who know about 1000 times more than you well - we dont need you here

Lisa,
I think that you should get one pup and give it all you have, good pack structure, excellent feeding regiment, good and positive attention, and a good consistent obedience training.THEN decide if getting another is the best thing for you and your family.The cost alone if you take GOOD care of your animals is something to consider....2 Presa might be too much in every level of owning dogs.I grew up with Dogue De Bordeaux,the cost for feeding and care is a big plus.Look at all of your options and just not the fact that it's a dangerous decision but a costly one.The plans you are entertaining is a huge gamble and not very fair to the pups you would be bringing home.Let's face it the breeder that is selling you these pups is only seeing the $
and not the big picture. NO good breeder would sell 2 presas to an inexperience handler or anyone for that matter.Just step back and forget about doing it just because.....LOOK at the WHOLE picture...
I have 3 GSd and I did not raise them at the same time, and they are separated for the most part.It takes a lot of my time to train, spend time,Play, all separately!
Lisa you can always add later if everything works out the way it should and WHEN you have good handling and obedience, pack structure on one.Build your experience off of one dog first and gradually you can add some challenges but you HAVE to have very good experience at handling such dogs, not many do and look at the outcome to the woman who got killed by her own Presa( giving him a bath), just think if she had had 2!.Be safe...

The Presa thread was closed, and the Presa poster highjacked a bit and has received Ed's comments here.

The O.P. here was Jen (with Huskies she already owns) .....