Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: Debbie Bruce ]
#155134 - 09/12/2007 04:25 PM |
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Steve,
I see that the Orijen already has some Omega3 and 6 oils added to it, do you supplement with additional salmon oil and Vit E? It doesn't really say anywhere how much is already in there.
All it says is
Omega 6 (min) 1.5%
Omega 3 (min) 0.7%
Was surprised to see that Glucosmine and Chondroitin and in there also. Don't think Lucy needs those at just a year old, but they probably can't hurt.
Keith Jablonowski
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Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: Keith Jablonowski ]
#155143 - 09/12/2007 05:30 PM |
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Steve,
I see that the Orijen already has some Omega3 and 6 oils added to it, do you supplement with additional salmon oil and Vit E? It doesn't really say anywhere how much is already in there.
I know this isn't exactly what you're asking, but the modern diet (especially poultry, but also virtually all slaughter animal meat) is loaded with Omega 6 EFAs.
Supplementing with Omega 6s is not what we want to to.
What we try to do when we give Omega 3s is move toward restoring the balance between the fats that promote inflammation (which is, after all, a necessary healing response) and the fats that work to keep inflammation under control. These are 6s and 3s, respectively. The modern grain-fed diet has virtually eliminated the 3s that 150 or even 100 years ago would have been found in the meat and fat of pasture-fed farm animals almost as much as wild grazing animals.
So when you see something (like an oil supplement) that advertises "perfect balance of Omega 6, 3, and 9," then you can be assured that either the manufacturer is misguided, or it's meant for someone who gets NO other fat in the diet, or it's deliberately trying to trick us into buying the cheaper, plentiful, already superabundant Omega 6 fats as a "supplement."
Another one thing is that the Omega 6s in dog food are probably from the meat it's made of.
Another important thing is that if it says "Omega 3s," we have to remember that the ALA from flax, canola, etc., is not the same benefit to dogs that they are to humans, and that the food is unlikely to contain fish oil. Also, fish oil does not stand up to the heat that's necessary to make commercial food.
A long way of saying that, IMHO, dogs need fish oil (plus the Vitamin E they use in processing oil supplements) no matter what food they are getting..... with very rare exceptions.
JMO!
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Re: Today's Food Recall
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#155153 - 09/12/2007 07:28 PM |
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Thanks Connie! it may be JMO! but your opinion is highly respected around here.
I'll have the MIL add the Salmon Oil and Vit E to the Orijen.
Keith Jablonowski
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Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: Keith Jablonowski ]
#155164 - 09/13/2007 02:17 AM |
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Hello Keith
I give the Pup and a good Squirt of Salmon Oil on his morning Feed, and with his evening feed a vitamin E Capsule, as recommended to do by Connie when i started using Orijen
I do not add anything else to the food
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Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: Steve Patrick ]
#155208 - 09/13/2007 06:08 PM |
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keith: your pup is very cute and she seems very attentive! what a cute picture.
God bless you
Sharon Empson
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Re: Today's Food Recall
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#155901 - 09/21/2007 12:42 PM |
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I feed my 2y.o. GSD about 5 cups of Innova Evo daily, 3 cups in the morning, then during his second feeding I give him the remaining 2 cups combined with about 1 heaping cup of (8-10oz) the Oma’s Pride. He loves the raw meat/veggie/fruit mix so much that I put that in first and dump the dry on top, kind of force him to eat his way to the raw.
-Kyle
If I am reading this correctly, you are feeding both kibble and raw in the same meal? My understanding is that this is a big NO-NO??????????????
I do. Tell me more. This is the first I've heard of it being a no-no. I figured, if he eats raw only, then eats kibble hours later, is it that big of a difference? Is the problem you speak of because they're mixed? I guess I never did any research on it, from a logic standpoint I couldn't think of how it could be bad. However, I'm always seeking knowledge and would love to know more if you have any further information.
-Kyle
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Re: Today's Food Recall
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#155903 - 09/21/2007 01:06 PM |
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I've read both that it's ok to feed together and that it's better if you don't because they digest at a different rate. Connie addressed it in another thread and I liked her answer so I did'nt feed them together. I can't believe how much you feed though. When I was feeding Evo the most I ever fed was 3cups a day or 2and a 1/2 and one can.
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Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: steve strom ]
#155908 - 09/21/2007 02:23 PM |
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I've read both that it's ok to feed together and that it's better if you don't because they digest at a different rate. Connie addressed it in another thread and I liked her answer so I did'nt feed them together. I can't believe how much you feed though. When I was feeding Evo the most I ever fed was 3cups a day or 2and a 1/2 and one can.
You're not the first person I've had say that to me about the amount of food. Honestly, it started off as a temporary thing a while back, I felt he was way underweight and wanted to change that as I could clearly see the definition of his ribcage and he seemed to always be looking for food. He does look much better now though, perhaps it's time to begin cutting back.
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Re: Today's Food Recall
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#155912 - 09/21/2007 02:47 PM |
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I've read both that it's ok to feed together and that it's better if you don't because they digest at a different rate. Connie addressed it in another thread and I liked her answer so I did'nt feed them together.
That is my understanding also, when you feed both kibble and raw at the same time it takes much longer for the dog to digest and the raw food stays in it's stomach much longer then it should increasing the chance of Salmonella. Hopefully Connie or one of the other raw feeders will see this and give you a better explaination then I have.
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Re: Today's Food Recall
[Re: PeggyBayer ]
#155937 - 09/21/2007 06:45 PM |
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Lots of people have fed raw with kibble and the dogs were fine.
I don't, because the explanation I read years ago (and many times since) makes sense to me, and I have yet to read an authoritative source saying that it's wrong:
The dog's resistance to food pathogens is due to two big differences between dogs and humans: his short, fast transit time from one end to the other (giving pathogens very little time to colonize), and his much stronger stomach acid.
Kibble takes two to three times as long as raw to digest, greatly lengthening the time the meal stays in the system and the time pathogens have to colonize.
I have read a few times that the stronger stomach acid might make this a moot point, but the sources saying that it's better not to feed kibble and raw together trump the sources saying it's OK (for me).
If I come across an authoritative explanation for why the advice is unnecessary, I'll post it. :> Or maybe someone else will find and post it.
Again, many dogs are fine dining on the mixture, but I'd avoid it.
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