Connie Sutherland wrote 12/07/2007 12:48 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: RobbinMann ] #167318 - 12/07/2007 12:48 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: RobbinMann ... As far as Levi is concerned, when I clean one ear it is no issue, when I clean the favored ear he can't handle it w/o shaking his head. No gunk comes out, it seems clean, do you think it might have something stuck down in it? Back to the original question, is there a dog food that hasn't any of the sugary plant matter?? What about PH balance and kidney function in a strictly meat fed dog? Sometimes the dogs wont eat certain veggies, I can just imagine trying to feed them parsley with their meat. I'd be cleaning parsley out of the bowls after they were done, lol pH balance? Of what? Do you mean skin pH? Urine? Gut? Or did you mean calcium-phosphorous balance? That's basically the meat-bone ratio. There definitely are foods with zero grain and no starch/sugar, and training treats with no grains and sugar too. I would pick up a can of Wellness Core and check out the ingredients. (Or look online.) No, I don't think most dogs will scarf down parsley sprigs... ... I was thinking of grinding it into the organ meats or smooshing chopped parsley into any ground meats. I would have the vet look into the ears and make sure there is nothing far inside if one makes him react differently. All dogs shake, though, to try and get dampness out. And I do think that an anti-yeast ear drop might help him (after the cleaning). I would also want the ear gunk looked at to see if there is a combo of yeast and bacteria.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/07/2007 12:54 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #167320 - 12/07/2007 12:54 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Oh, and Natalya, I don't know how I forgot zucchini, one of my all-time favorite cheap, nutritious, no-starch and no-sugar vegetables! That's almost all I use in summer! And I agree that you could leave out produce, period, while getting rid of this yeast overgrowth, if you have any doubts about sugars and starches. Just don't leave out any of the trilogy of meat, bones, and fat. ;>
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Natalya Zahn wrote 12/07/2007 03:05 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #167339 - 12/07/2007 03:05 PM
Natalya Zahn Webboard User Reg: 12-22-2006 Posts: 1824 Loc: Cambridge, MA Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland Oh, and Natalya, I don't know how I forgot zucchini, one of my all-time favorite cheap, nutritious, no-starch and no-sugar vegetables! That's almost all I use in summer! You've taught me well, Connie! ~Natalya
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/07/2007 03:10 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Natalya Zahn ] #167342 - 12/07/2007 03:10 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	When it's practically free, in July and August, because it's so ubiquitous, I do exactly what you described: I grate it or slice it on a mandolin and freeze it for winter. Even uncooked, freezing breaks down what cell walls there are (not much in summer squashes). The thawed texture is not great for human consumption, but it sure is for dogs!
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Amber Morgan wrote 12/07/2007 03:38 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: RobbinMann ] #167346 - 12/07/2007 03:38 PM
Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1849 Loc: St. Louis, MO Offline	Quote: RobbinMann Back to the original question, is there a dog food that hasn't any of the sugary plant matter?? Were you talking about kibble specifically, or did you just not like the link I posted for you? Carbon
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RobbinMann wrote 12/07/2007 11:14 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Amber Morgan ] #167419 - 12/07/2007 11:14 PM
RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006 Posts: 842 Loc: Arizona Offline	Sorry, Connie...I was talking about internally actually. I heard that a persons ph will get out of whack if they eat only meat and that it will harm the kidneys. I was just wondering if taking veggies out of the equation would do the same for dogs. Amber, I liked the link you sent but couldn't get to any prices, unfortunately that is an issue for me. lol. I would be interested in kibble also though. Thanks for the help, everyone. Jay Belcher and Levi Levi/Bella/Drogo
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Amber Morgan wrote 12/08/2007 08:51 AM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: RobbinMann ] #167437 - 12/08/2007 08:51 AM
Amber Morgan Webboard User Reg: 10-18-2006 Posts: 1849 Loc: St. Louis, MO Offline	Quote: RobbinMann Amber, I liked the link you sent but couldn't get to any prices, unfortunately that is an issue for me. lol. I would be interested in kibble also though. Thanks for the help, everyone. Oh, sorry Robinn! I'll send you the main link via PM. Yeah, they're relatively pricey...that's why I only use them if the meat well occasionally runs dry! I don't know about veggie-free kibble though, sorry! Carbon
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Melissa Thom wrote 12/09/2007 04:32 AM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Amber Morgan ] #167555 - 12/09/2007 04:32 AM
Melissa Thom Webboard User Reg: 12-04-2007 Posts: 2781 Loc: Upper Left hand corner, USA Offline	I also own a lab who was prone to ear infections by yeast (like all labs are). There are several non dietary options to clear this up. First things first you have to get the current infection under control which sadly requires a trip to the vet for some Gentizol. Great stuff. does the job and normally one tube is enough for a year or two. I treated with this about two weeks. After that I used a regular ear wash to make sure I am nuking the bad buggies before they breed. I use a recipe for ear wash twice a week now (I live in a very wet area) from Kelrobin kennels http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ears.html , if your dog has a raw ear use witch hazel instead of alcohol. Between rite aide and amazon you should be able to get months or years worth of wash ingredients for a fraction of the cost of the commercial ear washes which can add up over the years of owning a lab. Basically it works like this. I take the dog outside. Fill up one ear. Rub ear about 30 seconds. Dog shakes head. Fill up other ear, rub about 30 seconds, dog shakes head. Done!
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Heather Williams wrote 12/09/2007 04:50 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Melissa Thom ] #167619 - 12/09/2007 04:50 PM
Heather Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-10-2006 Posts: 358 Loc: Toronto, ON Offline	Quote: Melissa Thom I use a recipe for ear wash twice a week now (I live in a very wet area) from Kelrobin kennels http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ears.html , if your dog has a raw ear use witch hazel instead of alcohol. I just wanted to mention that I use this recipe for Jenga (he has sensitive ears - whenever it rains he gets an infection). This recipe has saved me HUNDREDS of dollars, I'm sure! The ingredients altogether were less than $20. He hasn't had a single vet-worthy infection since I started using it.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 12/09/2007 05:44 PM Re: Ear infections?? [Re: Heather Williams ] #167626 - 12/09/2007 05:44 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	That is a useful mixture. This dog, though, seems to have one clear ear that he still acts as if it's troubling him (as well as the ear with debris). I would want the vet to look in there. The last thing you want is a deep ear infection. I would also want that debris checked out, because yeast so often opens the door to bacteria. A lot of yeast infections are a combo. I wanted to mention, too, that cleaning an ear that "seems clean" already is probably not a good idea. It introduces moisture and sets the stage for yeast. As pointed out, getting the current infection taken care of is #1, but then the big priority is finding out what the underlying cause is. I'd stop giving all sugars and grains, as mentioned, keep a very close eye on the ears so inflammation does not develop into infection (but this is kind of a fine line: You don't want to fool around with ears that are healthy), and observe whether he shows signs of atopy, such as licking or biting at his paws, etc., or scratching anywhere.
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