Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168638 - 12/14/2007 01:18 PM |
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding potatoes and they are very good for your dog. They provide calories without adding more fat, plus they add potassium and B vitamins that are usually lacking in raw diets. I feed regular and sweet potatoes to my herd on a daily basis.
I tend to agree with Connie here, but in regards to Elaine's input - I met a dog recently who had INCREDIBLE allergies for it's first years of life, so bad in fact that it's career as an assistance dog was halted and he was adopted out... the new family did countless researching and testing of diets to find and eliminate the problem, and today, the ONLY thing that works (the dog can't even eat treats that stray from this) is a diet of fish and potatoes! Not sure if the potatoes are as critical as the fish, and who knows if this guy will suffer cancer later in life, but he's healthy as a horse now, nice and lean, and it works for him better than any other.
Any other experience/thoughts about potatoes used THAT way?
~Natalya
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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Awesomme !!!
Thankyou Connie
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding potatoes and they are very good for your dog. They provide calories without adding more fat, plus they add potassium and B vitamins that are usually lacking in raw diets. I feed regular and sweet potatoes to my herd on a daily basis.
I tend to agree with Connie here, but in regards to Elaine's input - I met a dog recently who had INCREDIBLE allergies for it's first years of life, so bad in fact that it's career as an assistance dog was halted and he was adopted out... the new family did countless researching and testing of diets to find and eliminate the problem, and today, the ONLY thing that works (the dog can't even eat treats that stray from this) is a diet of fish and potatoes! Not sure if the potatoes are as critical as the fish, and who knows if this guy will suffer cancer later in life, but he's healthy as a horse now, nice and lean, and it works for him better than any other.
Any other experience/thoughts about potatoes used THAT way?
~Natalya
Yes, the white fish diet for allergy elimination diets can be a very good choice (as long as the dog has not lived with cats and has not been fed fish before).
I would MUCH rather do that than the RX allergy diets in the vet's waiting room.
And of course most dogs don't get cancer. I just prefer not to feed cancer-feeding foods, which for dogs are largely the simple carbs (and grains, when you talk about the pancreas/liver, because of the stress on the pancreas from trying to produce unnatural amounts of daily amylase to process grains).
But I'd probably make it pumpkin and fish. The reason is this: Sweet potatoes are loaded with nutrients, but also with sugar. If you check a can of plain sweet potatoes or orange squash against a can of plain pumpkin, you will see the huge difference in natural sugars.
But if the diet has to be commercial and they have a problem with the Wellness varieties with no grain and no white potato, then yes, I too would go with whatever relieved the poor dog's misery. Anyone who has had a dog with bad allergies knows how terribly miserable the dog can be, even to the point of drawing blood on his own skin from scratching and having the itch interrupt his sleep.
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168647 - 12/14/2007 01:42 PM |
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Thanks Connie! Great input, as usual!
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168648 - 12/14/2007 01:43 PM |
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I've been looking all over for a meat that is about the same price as beef heart that i can get in bulk.. Would you have any ideas?
If you are looking for meat, why not try chicken gizzards and hearts. They come pre-packaged; you can find them at any supermarket; and they are rather inexpensive. Also, where I buy my chicken backs and necks in bulk, I can also buy gizzards and hearts, as well as livers, in bulk. Or you can buy large rolls of hamburger at WalMarts at a decent price.
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168651 - 12/14/2007 02:20 PM |
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Or turkey gizzards and hearts and livers and necks.
Bigger pieces for bigger dogs.
I happened to get lucky one day and my local grocer was just putting quart containers of fresh turkey livers in the freezer compartment. They were $.59 a pound!!! I bought every one he had off the tray, they never reached the freezer. Brought them home, sorted them out into minpin side dish sized portions and froze them myself. My pups had livers on the side for a long long time. Sadly, he's never had them again.
Now and again they have ground turkey for cheap, too.
You can buy whole chickens on sale for around $.55 to $.65 a pound, too. When I see them like that I buy several, usually.
A lot of times the hamburger in the rolls is very very fatty. I wouldn't make that the basis of a diet.
Beef tongue is pretty cheap out here, too, about the same as the heart.
If you are looking for a sort of a filler, I'd go with (cooked or canned) pumpkin. (plain pumpkin, not the pie filling)
Very low sugar content, high fiber.
Most dogs seem to enjoy the taste.
Pumpkin will help a dog that has loose stools firm up and will also help a dog that's constipated go.
Just a suggestion. I expect it's got lotsa vitamins, too. Well, here's some "Pumpkin Nutrition" info:
Pumpkin Nutrition Facts
(1 cup cooked, boiled, drained, without salt)
Calories 49
Protein 2 grams
Carbohydrate 12 grams
Dietary Fiber 3 grams
Calcium 37 mg
Iron 1.4 mg
Magnesium 22 mg
Potassium 564 mg Zinc 1 mg
Selenium .50 mg
Vitamin C 12 mg
Niacin 1 mg
Folate 21 mcg
Vitamin A 2650 IU
Vitamin E 3 mg
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168653 - 12/14/2007 02:34 PM |
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What about yams, are they as bad as sweet potatoes?
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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I had a butcher offer me beef kidney last night for .35 a pound but was reluctant to buy it because I just lack the knowledge on what the proper portions would be or if it was even good for them.
I guess I will stick with the whole chickens and beef hearts until it becomes real clear to me on what is and what's not good for them.
I'm kicking myself for not asking these questions early. There is so much to learn that some sometimes it feels overwhelming.
I'm just going to keep plucking away at all of the knowledge you all have... Thanks for the help!!!
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168657 - 12/14/2007 02:43 PM |
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William, you said: Quote"I had a butcher offer me beef kidney last night for .35 a pound but was reluctant to buy it because I just lack the knowledge on what the proper portions would be or if it was even good for them."EndQuote
Kidneys are an organ, like liver and lungs. I think you want to go easy on the organ meat because it's so fatty (?).
Tongue is muscle meat, like heart and it's usually quite inexpensive.
Oh, and here's about the best and easiest to understand resource you will find on raw feeding, right here on this site:
http://leerburg.com/pdf/feedingrawdiet.pdf
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Re: Raw Diet and Potatoes
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#168658 - 12/14/2007 02:48 PM |
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What about yams, are they as bad as sweet potatoes?
In this country, "yams" is almost always a nickname for garnet sweet potatoes (red outside, orange inside). True yams are cultivated in Africa and Asia. We have all kinds of sweet potatoes here, from white (often called Japanese) to orange.
The orange ones have more nutrients like A, just like most vegetables are richer in nutrients if they are darker/brighter in color.
But again, as I mentioned and then Janice did too, pumpkin has a very similar nutritional profile with MUCH less sugar.
But ... for everyday food for a healthy dog, I don't give starches and grains.
I do always keep canned plain pumpkin on hand for bowel distress (both kinds).
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