I got that part. And I agree that jumping is bad for a pup of that age. Just trying to steer the conversation back to the original topic and the other part of her question.

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Better to leave it low enough for her to grab and tug w/out jumping?

And

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I am trying to ease up on tugging with her myself, but would still like her to be able to enjoy a good tug.

Was looking for oppinions on this aspect of it while giving mine

Sorry was typing to slow

I would not let my six month old Pup Jump or stretch such as the video in Jennis post above, I really do not see the need of it at that age but everyone to there own, Why not trail the Obly Ball along the ground it will keep all four feet on the Ground get excersise and get to like the Ball or play around with a Piece of Rolled Up Sacking thats what i do with 6 month old Goran
The Trainers at our Club use a rolled up sack with Pups they run it along the ground then roll it up the owner of the Pup keeps stationary on a 6 ft line i use my six foot Leather Leerburg Leash for Goran, the trainer then comes to the Pup and the Baby then grabs the rolled up Sack, the Trainer makes a lot of noise and fuss as if to say to the Pup that he is doing great But they never pull hard on the sack as most are teething.
All Young Pups are catered For after the Main Protection work is finished they never miss out the Baby Pups even 14 week old Pups get there go, gently of course but the Baby Pups love it

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Anne Vaine uses a spring pole for her dogs I think...you should PM her and ask her about her experience.

Carol, I have pm'd Anne to ask her opinion...Thanks!

Hey Steve in my experiances with teething pups you should never give them the bite one painfull bite could set you way back if the pup feels pain from a bite he may never want to give a full grip again (some pups handle pain better than others but are you willing to take a chance?). My advice would be to tease the pup up bring out the prey drive get the pup at his peak and put him up for 30 to 45 minutes.I use the teething time to focus on focus and basic obediance heck why not throw in a little tracking make it all fun and positive.When a pup is teething you can smell blood in their mouth imagine how soar the mouth is 5- 7 months old its a short time to sacrafice bite work.All dogs are born knowing how to bite we just teach them how and when.As for jumping you cant stop a pup from being a pup but i totally agree about limiting any jumping at the developing stages.But its all a gamble still

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I would wait until she's a little older

Carol, you forgot this part of my post .

The point here is that, once again, you seem to be saying with your post that jumping is appropriate if it is not over something. That is what I interpreted and I also interpreted your "disclaimer" of "I would wait until she's a little older" to mean just that, a "disclaimer"....kind of like, it is okay for her to jump, just not OVER something. No matter what kind of forum this is.

At no point did I say it's ok to jump as long as it's not over something. I was making a feeble attempt to defend Lynne's thinking, pointing out that her idea was not to destroy her dog's joints. Her very subject "Is pup too young for this?" shows that she is not intentionally being reckless and was trying to ask what would or wouldn't be ok. I find it tres amusant that all my cautionary words about age and conditioning were left out of any rebuttals.

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...giving them something to jump and tug at repetitively at anything less than a year old just may be asking for health issues down the road.

I think this was addressed, and here's a classic case of how different interpretations lead to confusion and annoyance...unnecessarily . Maybe I was giving Lynne too much benefit of the doubt, but I pictured "jumping up to get it" to mean more standing on hind legs and reaching for it to pull it down...but alas, I see that this picture is NOT how others interpreted it. Maybe I pictured it this was because I personally would never do more w/a puppy, and projected that onto others who may not feel the same way. Steve Patrick (sorry, Steve, to use you as an example )saw the photo and pictured Chula doing that, which of course upset him. So, anyway, maybe I'm dead wrong in MY interpretation, since Steve may not be the only one who pictured it that way, but I didn't think Lynne was actually advocating or suggesting that Chula do an adult-style springpole exercise.

It all boils down to everyone having major concerns about pups' joints stemming from genuine love of animals. We're all on the same side.

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So, anyway, maybe I'm dead wrong in MY interpretation, since Steve may not be the only one who pictured it that way, but I didn't think Lynne was actually advocating or suggesting that Chula do an adult-style springpole exercise.

Jenni, your interpretation was correct, and of course I will never do anything to jeopardize my pup's health. Just looking for somthing fun for her to tug on, while I'm outside with her.

Jenni,

You posted a video and say that people misunderstood either the question (which we didn't) and that we were thinking the pup was jumping OVER something (which we were not). Your video is what caused some to think the pup was doing this, not the OP's question.
I will give you that you mentioned the pup is too young, but it looks like more of an after thought. And then you make reference to the fact that "this is not a bulldog site either"....what does that have to do with this thread? Puppies are puppies....period.

If there are people out there that let puppies do what you posted, then I am glad they are not here on this board.

Then in your second and third posts it is the, "I am misunderstood" comments.

I am done with this thread. The OP's question has been answered and I apologize to her that it turned into this.......

The Sack is Soft and it is not tugged at all by the trainer, they do not use a tug that is filled withanything a sack is just a sack made of hession, they cannot bite hard oon it just catch it in the mouth, a pup would feel more by biting on a biscuit or a piece of meat than on a sack

Ever had a tooth ache if so next time put something in your mouth and mimic what your helper isdoing to your pup. When my pups teeth i take a wash rag twist it freeze it and give that to them. the sack can still catch a tooth. Do you ever see blood on the rag?

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Jenni,

You posted a video and say that people misunderstood either the question (which we didn't) and that we were thinking the pup was jumping OVER something (which we were not). Your video is what caused some to think the pup was doing this, not the OP's question.

I said it APPEARED that people were picturing something different. And I did not post any video! There may have been a video attached (honestly, it's been a long time since I read that whole page-didn't even remember there being a video), but I linked to a whole section of an informational website. Did anyone not get the whole page/section of the site from that link? If so, I apologize. I would never intentionally post just a video w/out explanation.

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I will give you that you mentioned the pup is too young, but it looks like more of an after thought.

Not at all an afterthought! I also stated clearly (or so I thought) that I would not let my 5 (almost 6) month old do this.

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And then you make reference to the fact that "this is not a bulldog site either"....what does that have to do with this thread? Puppies are puppies....period.

It has everything to do with it. Here's why: On a bulldog site, people's first reaction would be "springpole" (which, interestingly, was your first thought, but then you decided to think I was arguing with you, and went off from there to pick apart every word I posted) and on THIS site, most people's first though would be (or was) "schutzhund." IMO, it was an important distinction. Apparently, you don't agree, and that's fine.

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I am done with this thread. The OP's question has been answered and I apologize to her that it turned into this.......

I, too, apologize to Lynne. I don't know why this got thread got testy , but what's so wrong with explaining where things got confused? For Goodness sakes, it's an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. We do the best we can to explain our positions, but it's not like a live conversation where we have the benefits of tone, facial expression, etc. Communication breakdowns are going to happen via computer; can't we just agree that we are basically saying the same thing in a different way, and if not that, then at least stick to my last line on my last post? WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE-THE DOGS' .