Cathi Kemp wrote 01/01/2008 08:07 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #172349 - 01/01/2008 08:07 PM
Cathi Kemp Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007 Posts: 265 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland The only crucial addition (IMO) is the Omega 3s from marine sources plus the extra E used in processing the fish oil. I do add Kelp, Alfalfa, Salmon Oil and Vitamin E to meals every other day and on the in-between days one raw egg. For my 14 year old Lab I also add Cranberry and a Probiotic because he had a UTI about a year ago. http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/catkemp9/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/01/2008 08:18 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Cathi Kemp ] #172350 - 01/01/2008 08:18 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Cathi Kemp  Quote: Connie Sutherland The only crucial addition (IMO) is the Omega 3s from marine sources plus the extra E used in processing the fish oil. I do add Kelp, Alfalfa, Salmon Oil and Vitamin E to meals every other day and on the in-between days one raw egg. For my 14 year old Lab I also add Cranberry and a Probiotic because he had a UTI about a year ago. I would use salmon oil every day. I would use a gram (1000 mg) per ten pounds of dog. I would use 100-200 IU of E for smaller dogs and 200-400 IU for bigger dogs. It has been only a blip in terms of nutritional anthropology that the prey diet canids take has changed to be so heavy in Omega 6s and so light in 3s. There was probably a time a couple of hundred years ago when 3-to-6 was about even. And even 100 years ago, it was probably 5-to-1 or so (6 to 3). Now it's closer to zero on the long-chain 3s if the dog eats factory-farmed meats and poultry. So I almost don't consider it a supplement. It's like replacing something narural and balanced that modern ag has taken away. Over-simplified: Many 6s promote the formation of hormones that foster inflammation (a necessary healing response), and 3s promote the formation of hormones that keep inflammation under control. Most systemic diseases are inflammation-based or have an inflammation component (diabetes, IBS/OBD, heart disease, arthritis, allergies, etc.).
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Cathi Kemp wrote 01/01/2008 08:32 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #172354 - 01/01/2008 08:32 PM
Cathi Kemp Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007 Posts: 265 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland I would use salmon oil every day. I would use a gram (1000 mg) per ten pounds of dog. I would use 100-200 IU of E for smaller dogs and 200-400 IU for bigger dogs. I'll do it! Thank you for the advice! http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/catkemp9/
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Jeff Brosius wrote 01/01/2008 10:42 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Michael_Wise ] #172433 - 01/01/2008 10:42 PM
Jeff Brosius Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2007 Posts: 104 Loc: Colorado, USA Offline	Quote: Michael_Wise I would consider liver, lungs, kidney, spleen, heart, tripe, pancreas, brains, eyes, tongue, etc. as organs. If it moves or makes something move I would call it a muscle. Due respect, and no offense or anything, but from a strict anatomical perspective, a muscle is also an organ. So is skin. And bone.
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Carol Boche wrote 01/01/2008 11:16 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Jeff Brosius ] #172442 - 01/01/2008 11:16 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	I treat the heart as muscle meat..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/01/2008 11:33 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Carol Boche ] #172447 - 01/01/2008 11:33 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Carol Boche I treat the heart as muscle meat..... I guess I have gone to the heart-as-muscle side too. I mean, it IS a muscle. It just seems so blood-rich that I used to treat it as organ meat. Plus it has taurine. Kidneys and liver are luckily easily procured and between them, I have read, supply all the stuff that organ meat is needed for (except the green tripe, of course).... vitamins A, E, D, and K; minerals zinc, manganese, selenium and iron; all the B vitamins; vitamin C.
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Cathi Kemp wrote 01/01/2008 11:47 PM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Cathi Kemp ] #172452 - 01/01/2008 11:47 PM
Cathi Kemp Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007 Posts: 265 Loc: Los Angeles, CA Offline	Quote: Cathi Kemp I do add Kelp, Alfalfa, Salmon Oil and Vitamin E to meals every other day and on the in-between days one raw egg. For my 14 year old Lab I also add Cranberry and a Probiotic because he had a UTI about a year ago. When I posted this I forgot to add the Vitamin C! http://s173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/catkemp9/
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Connie Sutherland wrote 01/02/2008 01:10 AM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Cathi Kemp ] #172464 - 01/02/2008 01:10 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I don't do C unless a dog needs extra for some reason. OTOH, I do give some produce (C). Dogs make their own C (unlike us), but MANY people believe that more is better for many reasons. I just haven't gotten there. Yet.
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Lynne Barrows wrote 01/02/2008 07:32 AM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #172482 - 01/02/2008 07:32 AM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: Carol Boche I treat the heart as muscle meat..... I guess I have gone to the heart-as-muscle side too. I mean, it IS a muscle. It just seems so blood-rich that I used to treat it as organ meat. Plus it has taurine. I was assuming that heart is muscle meat. OK to give daily? I've been adding about 2 oz of beef heart to her backs and necks to increase the muscle content. (she gets an approximate weight total of 10 oz per meal) I know I need to add organ meat in there too; she does get some attached to the backs, but it's not much. And what about chicken gizzards? They look very muscley. Is that what they are?
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Mitch Kuta wrote 01/02/2008 08:40 AM Re: List of what is organ vs. muscle? [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #172492 - 01/02/2008 08:40 AM
Mitch Kuta Webboard User Reg: 01-31-2005 Posts: 464 Loc: Ovilla, TX Offline	my 2 cents worth. I have been feeding raw for about 8 months now. Started with puppy Mal. Than added adult GSD and Doberman. All love it. I feed mostly chicken backs and necks but buy whatever we can get on sale. Just got a 3 lb package of split leg quarters for 23 cents a lb! I mix everything also. Did blood work on all and levels were all good. I think you can over think the process. If I can do it with sucess anyone can.I do weigh every meal. I am tight and don't want to give any extra as that cuts into what we save on deals. Sorry nothing to do with original post. MJK
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