 Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#186289 - 03/17/2008 02:56 PM |
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I wish I had more of that calm-assertive demeanor that he projects. (wishing won't get me too far; I'm working on it!)
Oh yeah! I wish I have that too! I tend to get a bit tense when I see owners don't have much control over their dogs on or off leash. It affects my dogs a lot. 
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Melissa Blazak ]
#186291 - 03/17/2008 02:59 PM |
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Meaning (and I am definately no expert here), if people established "rules, boundaries and limitations" and practiced "exercise, discipline and affection" in that order (thanks Cesar) there would be a lot more well adjusted dogs.
I agree and I think it makes parents a better parent to their kids too.
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Daniel Audet ]
#186296 - 03/17/2008 03:41 PM |
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I realize that Cesar's show is alot of Hollywood. There is alot that is not shown or said. Having said that I think he is awesome. Even if his own pack came from hundreds of dogs, it is still an accomplishment to have the degree of control that he has around his dogs.
My methods are a combination of Ed's and Cesar's. The philosopy just makes sense to me.
I find that I'm constantly having to defend myself from the Pure Positive crowd. They love to jump up and down and shout "Ian Dunbar". Let's think about this for a minute. The clips that you see of Dr. Dunbar are usually of him giving a seminar, not training dogs. The dogs you see him with are always, little "dust mop style" dogs. You don't ever hear about him dealing with serious dogs with serious issues. I love the way that Cesar boasts, "there are Rottweilers here, Pitbulls, German Shepards ...they are all representing!" In other words, his attitude is, come on bring me any breed. I will take reality over hours and hours of theory any day. The PP crowd always wants to point you to a book. I always reply, "never mind the book....let's see what you can do with a dog....you are very well versed in theory...let's see reality."
Many of the Pure Positive trains boast about their numerous Rally Titles. Wow Great!!! But show me a dog that is trained for the real world. In other words, one that will obey under a hundred different real world distractions. Lets remember that AKC Rally is done under somewhat controlled conditions. Let's let a rabbit loose in the ring to make things interesting. The Pure Positive crowd would be going home with their tail between their legs.
If I am totally wrong about this, someone please let me know. I realize that you can accomplish alot with some dogs with only PP. These dogs tend to be obsessed with something like a ball. That isn't the majority of most dogs.
--Dan
I think one of the problems is that your average dog owner doesn't know when a dog is being truly dominant/aggressive. They think that growling/biting are the only signs, when there are dozens more! For example, our dog is generally a real wuss, the epitome of "soft dog." But he goes up to you and shoves his head under your hand expecting pets, pulls on walks, takes his sweet time moving when he's laying on the floor right where you want to walk, and other "passive" dominant behaviors like those.
But because he's not some snarling, vicious attack dog, apparently these are all acceptable behaviors, according to the rest of the family. As you can imagine, this makes training very hard, especially when you're being laughed at and MOCKED when you try to explain what these behaviors really mean. It's made me completely give up and wait until I'm able to move out and get my own dog, because I hate confusing our poor dog we've got now with this inconsistency.
Sorry for the rant. I hope the original message got through all the frustrated rambling =)
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Ashley Hiebing ]
#186302 - 03/17/2008 04:29 PM |
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This is true. I think that by the time most pet owners/people start to see their dog acting in a way that's unacceptable, Cesar has seen this way before and takes the appropriate action.
Part of it is due to a gift he has, part of it is experience. Either way a combo of both is what enables him to do what he can in such a short time (even w/out editing) and leaves people with their mouth open. The dog world is lucky to have him. And as Daniel said, it's great to hear how Cesar works and sticks up for the discrimintated breeds to show everyone, they are just dogs like all the others.
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Alex Corral ]
#186880 - 03/22/2008 02:34 AM |
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Connie, I hope this is not hijacking a thread. If it is please let me know. I was watching Cesar Milan's dvd "Power of the Pack." There's a section where he is rehabilitating 3 dogs from Hurricane Katrina. Well the three dogs were not spayed or neutered. He stated that it would be a problem because it would cause problems in the pack. He later spayed and neutered the dogs. I wasn't planing on neutering my puppy when I got him until he was at least 2 years old. But now...I don't know. Has anyone seen this dvd and what do they think about what he says about neutering. Also the one dog was marking everywhere and Cesar points and says that's the problem with not neutering. Ed (who I tend to agree with) says that could be nipped in the bud through pack structure. Just want to hear thoughts from the dog experts on this forum.
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Maisha Butler ]
#186890 - 03/22/2008 10:44 AM |
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
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#186892 - 03/22/2008 11:07 AM |
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The story of the 3 Katrina dogs Cesar took was also on his TV show. He was integrating those 3 dogs into *his* pack of 30+ dogs and wanted them neutered for his purposes (getting along with his 30+ dogs perhaps). That doesn't mean every dog should be neutered or spayed. His statement shouldn't be interpreted as a "must do".
If you're going to neuter, two years gives a dog a chance to grow correctly before his hormones are affected by a neuter. During that time, a responsible pet owner will make sure no accidental mating takes place.
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Sandy Moore ]
#186899 - 03/22/2008 11:55 AM |
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Maisha,
His reasons for neutering are sound, with his huge pack, but have little to do with the average owner. JMO.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#186905 - 03/22/2008 01:23 PM |
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Didn't think about that. Duh! But it makes sense. 
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Re: Cesar Millan method w/ young pups
[Re: Maisha Butler ]
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WELL PUT TAMMY LORD KNOWS WE ALL NEED MORE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX
JUST NEVER HEARD IT SAID LIKE THAT MIND IF I USE THE QUOTE
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