Quote: amber morgan

 Quote: mallory kwiatkowski

She pooped in the car on the way there, so that helped me not feel quite so bad, lol.

Sounds like she was scared. Makes me feel worse, actually.

Yeah, I hope Brooke is okay and safe in the right hand. I'm sorry to say I don't think it is any funny. It is understandable that you might be angry with her, but..


(I don't want to hijack the thread, but I want you to know that we are almost in the same boat.)

I had to put Cody down a few months ago too, but he was not afraid. He was confident out going dog who is good with people. Many people could not believe me because he was a well-behave dog who knew many commands and a few tricks, but I knew him more than anyone else does.

I had to put him down because once in a while he had a problem with rage. He couldn't control himself once he was in "red" zone. Once he was in red zone, I always miss it. When I get home, it already passed away. He stayed angry after an hour of trying to chill out and want to go after the kill again. It wasn't the dog, it was my mother and my sister! I decided euthanasia was the best thing for his mental illness. I suspected that he might suffer from rage syndrome which is pretty common in spaniels.

I worked so hard on his rage aggression with a trainer who understands aggression. I worked with him for a year with basic obedience thing and fun hide/seek games. I taught him to pull a scooter and go for a roller blade. It wouldn't stop his rage explodes so I finally asked a professional dog trainer to work with me and my family on Cody's problem. He was happy outgoing dog who is good with all people he met, but something inside him was really broken that couldn't be repair.

no, she wasn't scared, i was in a hurry(i had a class) and just let her pee but not poop from coming out of her crate.....promise.
she loves car rides, and was happy as a clam sitting in the back seat.

Okay Mallory,
You want to know about the missing text from last nights post. I'll fill it in for you if you want. That is if you really want to know.
To start, there was none. I rather thought anybody that had a clue, would have taken the single sentence for what it was worth. It speaks for the dog.
Did you do or follow protocol except superficially? I know of a couple people (experienced with aggression) on this board you've pointedly ignored advice from. So what have you done beyond playing at being hero? So now we're supposed to be all sad for YOU? It's the dog I'll always advocate for, read my normal sig, it's rarely the dog at fault. Because let's face it, you just got tired of a game you got into, the rules got too complicated after all. Have you learned your lesson Mallory? This isn't anything but serious. LIFE. DEATH. Is it real yet?
When did you become a qualified clinical behaviorist able to determine the difference between a genetic fault and a learned survivial reaction that can be retaught? So is it real enough for you yet?
Have enough people assuaged your conscientious so far? Do you feel okay about the deed? You're warm and cozy here at the computer, he's in a cage with a cement floor waiting for something...............for you. Yeah Mallory, you failed that dog. I hope you lose tonights sleep and many more to come for your failing.


If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.


Kind of speaks for it's self. Doesn't it.
Randy

who exactly did i ignore advice from?

I'm not going to name any names and speak for them. But if you can't remember them, go to your past posts, run threw the threads you'll find them. In fact I invite everyone to check out the past threads. Guage for yourselves what kind of effort has been put into this lost dog.
Is it real yet?

In eight days I'm going to have a sunrise greeting for this hapless pup..........Who never got an even break.


If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy

And now the ball gets rolling...

Okay...this thread is going to turn into a flame-fest and I'm not interested in fighting with people over a dog that it's already too late to save.

But, Mallory, this thread has been bothering me from the beginning. I kept thinking I was missing some part of the story--some thread I hadn't read or something, based on what everyone was saying.

But I reread your past posts on these pups. What you did to save them was incredible, and I applauded you for that...saving them earned you well-deserved praise and now I understand why everyone was being so gentle about this.

BUT!! You had 10 dogs according to one of your posts, cats, rabbits, at least one snake, if I remember correctly, you're a student and a preschool teacher. So, you're running a full-time kennel/zoo with less than part time hours available to you.

And have at least 2 dogs that I know of that were dog-aggressive and yet you contained Brook with a baby-gate.

This pup was 5 months old, right? 6 months old? And she had deformed legs from the abuse it suffered before you got her, right?

She was flat-out abused in a horrible way that can take a very long time to fix, you are up to your eyeballs in animals to care for, you have other obligations that eat up your time, you didn't seek a professional trainer to help you or even attempt to rehome her. At least not that I found in any of your posts.

You got them in mid-January and even with all of the obstacles that she and you had stacked against you...you only gave her a little over 2 months to become a balanced dog. It would take her even longer than that to stop being a puppy.

So, yes...saving them from the backyard was a great thing. And I'm not even bashing you for what you did...I'm bashing me and everyone else who didn't say anything when you posted your intentions to put this PUPPY to sleep. Not one of us said, "Hey, wait...let's think this through..."

This was not an adult dog that had issues that much training had failed to fix. This was a dog that was a PUPPY that had a really, really crappy start to life and a person who had no time for her dog collection. 10 dogs + other animals?!?!

I find it hard to blame all of Brooklyn's issues solely on genetics here.

But theoretically you posted your intentions to get feedback from the other members of this board. And we...I....didn't try to make you stop and think. And I'm sorry for that.

But this...

 Quote: mallory kwiatkowski

She pooped in the car on the way there, so that helped me not feel quite so bad, lol.

this just really, really bothers me. I don't know about anyone else...but I'm not "lol."

Well, here goes. Anything you are about to read is not to be taken as a personal attack. And, I preface this with I am not a professional handler, trainer or otherwise. I am also new to this board. But, I am 53 years old and have had dogs my whole life and they have ranged from small mixed mutts to large poweful dogs, including boxers and chow mix. I have trained them myself and also taken them to professional trainers when one showed aggression.

Mallory, you have too many dogs. While it is admirable to adopt to save an animal, you have not been successful in saving Brooklyn. You sound like you have a big heart but not the experience, time and ability to take care of that many animals, especially dogs with problems.

If you have more than two dogs, you have a 'pack'. The aggregate 'pack' will have a mentality that takes special precautions.

As a young girl with limited dog training/handling experience, it would be next to impossible for you to judge a dog's behavior much less it's genetics.

I don't write this to hurt your feelings, because you did an admirable thing in trying to rescue that animal, but a caution to anyone else that would attempt owning that many animals without adequate understanding and the ability to train and provide all things necessary for their well being and the well being of others.

ps

I am really, really sorry I didn't speak up yesterday. I apologize to everyone on this board for that. I should have said this then, Mallory, I'm sorry.

I would have to agree if this was the same puppy.

I am at a loss as to what to say, although I REALLY commend you for saving them when you did. It takes a special person to do that.

Did you have her evaluated or try to see if she would be okay in a one dog only home with socialization training?

Not trying to bash you at all, but I have come into these threads late since I have been busy and to be honest, I just have been feeling like I am wading through thick mud when trying to decipher if some of these threads are training related.

Looks like this one was, and the title just threw me off a bit.

Mallory, you did what you had to do and what you thought was right for the little girl. Tough decision and I hope I never have to be in your shoes, or anyone else's that has to make a decision like this.

She will be waiting for you at the bridge and like all dogs, she will be happy to see you.

Apologies. I know this is the same pup from the rescue thread, not sure why I said it that way and was too late to go edit and reword....

I too thought that at such a young age there might still be some rehabilitation time. Pooping in the car seems to say that the dog had tremendous fear issues or on some level knew she was going somewhere that was not going to be good. Why the dog pooping in the car would make anyone feel better is baffling to me to say the least. Randy Allen said some things that were quite to the point so, Amber take heart someone did make their feelings known to some degree. Mallory maybe the option should have been for you to have given the dog up to someone else to give them a chance to help the dog, if after repeated attempts to help the dog had failed then maybe pts might have been an option. Sometimes being a good samaritan isn't all its cracked up to be, is it? I applauded your initial attempts to help the pups but don't think you played the game for the full inning. Amber thanks for your post, I wish I had caught this post earlier but I'm rarely able to post anymore without offending someone on some note...chalk this up for another one of those posts.