Mary Velazquez wrote 04/08/2008 07:36 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #189301 - 04/08/2008 07:36 PM
Mary Velazquez Webboard User Reg: 12-24-2007 Posts: 575 Loc: Texas Offline	Well, I totally understand how one can be paying attention to your dog at the end of the leash while performing other tasks. Frankly, I think that if someone has to be looking directly at the dog all the time to monitor it, they probably arent very experienced. Golly, everything is getting so personal! I thought the issue was resolved; she did get the opinion of a professional and they said that the dog had issues. She made her choice; and making that choice doesnt make her a novice.
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Valerie Tietz-Kelly wrote 04/08/2008 07:50 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #189303 - 04/08/2008 07:50 PM
Valerie Tietz-Kelly Webboard User Reg: 07-26-2005 Posts: 566 Loc: NJ, USA Offline	Quote: Mary Roach Well, I totally understand how one can be paying attention to your dog at the end of the leash while performing other tasks. Frankly, I think that if someone has to be looking directly at the dog all the time to monitor it, they probably arent very experienced. Golly, everything is getting so personal! I thought the issue was resolved; she did get the opinion of a professional and they said that the dog had issues. She made her choice; and making that choice doesnt make her a novice. What you have said certainly has a lot of merit, but the OP asked for advice. I guess all I am hearing from folks is try and make yourself a better handler by learning from the experience, and that is a good thing IMHO. Val
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/08/2008 08:03 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Valerie Tietz-Kelly ] #189304 - 04/08/2008 08:03 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Valerie Tietz-Kelly I guess all I am hearing from folks is try and make yourself a better handler by learning from the experience, and that is a good thing IMHO. That's what I am hearing too. And yes, that's a good thing in my humble opinion, too. The original post asked for opinions and advice. QUOTE: I dont know what to do, any advice??? END
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Carol Boche wrote 04/08/2008 08:08 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Mary Velazquez ] #189305 - 04/08/2008 08:08 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Mary Roach Frankly, I think that if someone has to be looking directly at the dog all the time to monitor it, they probably arent very experienced. This statement is what makes the difference between pet owners and real working dog owners. No offense intended to pet owners at all. If you have never had a high drive, sharp dog in training, then you would not know how severe the consequences would be if you were not paying attention and watching the dog and not trying to do something else while the dog was out. This thread did get personal since the OP came for advice and then rejected or disagreed with any advice or opinions that were given. I am excusing my inexperienced self out of this thread now..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 04/08/2008 08:29 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Carol Boche ] #189310 - 04/08/2008 08:29 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	Dogs are rarely "unpredictable". They almost always give signals,(unless they have a brain tumor or something like that) some are very subtle but to the perceptive and those experienced in dog body language they are there and very clear. Ed and I get emails every day from owners whose dogs are supposedly unpredictable and they bite "out of the blue" and "without warning" . The real issue is that the dog may have shown something very subtle like a momentary change in breathing or stiffening the body for a second. The average person isn't well versed in dog language and misses it, then the dog is labeled as unpredictable or unstable. I would place a money bet that this dog showed a sign, and because no one was paying attention the sign went unheeded. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Sandy Moore wrote 04/08/2008 08:39 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #189313 - 04/08/2008 08:39 PM
Sandy Moore Webboard User Reg: 07-25-2006 Posts: 2665 Loc: AZ Offline	I'm betting my money with Cindy. Aleida, you missed a sign. Wish you could acknowledge that.
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Michelle Berdusco wrote 04/08/2008 08:49 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Sandy Moore ] #189315 - 04/08/2008 08:49 PM
Michelle Berdusco Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2008 Posts: 470 Loc: Offline	Regardless if there was a "sign". You should be able to stand and have a conversation without your dog attacking. Likewise you should be able to ask for advice without being made to feel totally inept. I knew when theOP stated she returned the dog to the breeder that she would get blasted. The best way to educate is not to make someone defensive or belittle. I think Jennifer had the best idea of staying in touch with the breeder and pup and see what develops. If the dogs behavior straightens out then look into your handling techniques. Remeber there are tons of internet "experts". My suggestion is to develop a thick skin because in amongst the insults and posturing is often some sound advice. Michelle
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Carol Boche wrote 04/08/2008 08:54 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Michelle Berdusco ] #189318 - 04/08/2008 08:54 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: michelle berdusco Regardless if there was a "sign". You should be able to stand and have a conversation without your dog attacking. Likewise you should be able to ask for advice without being made to feel totally inept. I knew when theOP stated she returned the dog to the breeder that she would get blasted. The best way to educate is not to make someone defensive or belittle. I think Jennifer had the best idea of staying in touch with the breeder and pup and see what develops. If the dogs behavior straightens out then look into your handling techniques. Remeber there are tons of internet "experts". My suggestion is to develop a thick skin because in amongst the insults and posturing is often some sound advice. Since when is telling the truth and giving advice insulting and posturing? Michele, your post is more insight to actual insult and posture than any of the others. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 04/08/2008 08:59 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Carol Boche ] #189321 - 04/08/2008 08:59 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	No one is defending the dog's behavior here, you should ABSOLUTELY be able to have a conversation without being bitten. I don't see anyone blasting, insulting or belittling anyone here? The OP asked for advice, and hopefully everyone that reads this will be more aware that what we humans perceive as unpredictable behavior is usually far from it. I know I learn things everyday from observing my dogs and from discussions with other dog people about situations they have experienced. Dogs will always tell us the truth, if we can only open our eyes up and really see it. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Will Rambeau wrote 04/08/2008 08:59 PM Re: Unstable?? [Re: Michelle Berdusco ] #189322 - 04/08/2008 08:59 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Michelle, If you want to comment about other people's opinions ( the whole reason that people post on forums, by the way ), why not do it via PM? I know that it's hard to judge someone's tone via a post, but you sound unhappy about the forum and it's poster's - there are other forums to frequent if you're not happy about the advice being given or the way that it's presented. If you'd like to discuss this privately, please feel free to shoot me a PM. And by the way, this forum has more than it's share of actual "experts" with tons of experience than almost any other dog forum around. Will Rambeau Moderator The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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