Connie Sutherland wrote 02/13/2009 07:10 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Rick Massimi ] #227591 - 02/13/2009 07:10 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Typically, a new volunteer would attend an orientation and then probably feed and walk the non-problem dogs. However, this is a place to demonstrate skills and maybe move up gradually into helping with problem dogs, evals, etc. And the CGSs are a good way to get some new hands-on experience. You want to get into the dog world -- every part of it that you can.
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Rick Massimi wrote 02/13/2009 07:18 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #227594 - 02/13/2009 07:18 PM
Rick Massimi Webboard User Reg: 01-01-2009 Posts: 67 Loc: Pacific, Missouri Offline	Thanks for the good advise.
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Michael Foust wrote 10/13/2011 08:49 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Ingrid Rosenquist ] #346925 - 10/13/2011 08:49 PM
Michael Foust Webboard User Reg: 09-04-2011 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	I would like to adress the comments on online training schools. You may have your opinion on them but for some the door is only open for them to- as you put it- waste money. It's one thing to say it a waste but what's the differance between buying videos and learning from them, and getting in an online course: is one any better then the other? If in fact in you tried to help any other person train their dog, and only wished you had the technical terms and knowledge to back up what you're doing. Please one persons desire may take them farther then you would ever go to learn the same stuff. I am in an online dog training course and always looking for more info. Thank you for at least letting people make a go for their dreams, not discouraging them.Don't put us down for our opinion.
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Al Curbow wrote 10/13/2011 08:59 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Michael Foust ] #346926 - 10/13/2011 08:59 PM
Al Curbow Webboard User Reg: 06-30-2005 Posts: 974 Loc: northeast Offline	Michael, You simply can't learn about training a dog online. It's a waste of cash. I asked a trainer from the Northeast who I respect how he learned to read and train dogs so well, his reply was " I screwed up more dogs than parvo learning". The only way is by DOING it. Train a dog from a pup, make it a demo dog and people will respect that.
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Kelly Byrd wrote 10/13/2011 09:19 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Al Curbow ] #346928 - 10/13/2011 09:19 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	Besides the fact that this is a super old thread.... I think learning some new ideas can be done online.... Getting a different viewpoint, etc. I agree with Al 100% though, in the fact that all of your learning cannot be from the computer. You've got to get hands on- the quality companies that 'teach' people to train require that you bring a dog for that very reason! You can absorb all the information in the world from a book/DVD/online, but if you can't read a dog, and put it into play with that particular dog, it's all useless. Welcome to LB Michael. Head on over to the new members area and introduce yourself when you get a chance.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/13/2011 09:20 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Michael Foust ] #346929 - 10/13/2011 09:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: michael foust I would like to adress the comments on online training schools. You may have your opinion on them but for some the door is only open for them to- as you put it- waste money. It's one thing to say it a waste but what's the differance between buying videos and learning from them, and getting in an online course: is one any better then the other? If in fact in you tried to help any other person train their dog, and only wished you had the technical terms and knowledge to back up what you're doing. Please one persons desire may take them farther then you would ever go to learn the same stuff. I am in an online dog training course and always looking for more info. Thank you for at least letting people make a go for their dreams, not discouraging them.Don't put us down for our opinion. Do you have a shelter near you? Clubs? I have to say that videos of an excellent trainer (like Michael Ellis) will serve you very well as you train your own dog and then go on from there, as Al says .... so far I have never seen an online "course" that was worth anything, but I suppose there could be one hiding somewhere. I hope you don't make any method-decisions based on text. When you have finished with your course, I would urge that you watch at least the first and second of Michael Ellis's marker DVDs (food and tug) in order to open yourself to different methods. They will also help you to judge what you've been taught in your course. JMO! I believe that many people stick with their first set of instructions, no matter how good, bad, or indifferent, for no reason better than familiarity. Again, all JMO!
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/13/2011 09:39 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Michael Foust ] #346930 - 10/13/2011 09:39 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Quote: michael foust I would like to adress the comments on online training schools. You may have your opinion on them but for some the door is only open for them to- as you put it- waste money. It's one thing to say it a waste but what's the differance between buying videos and learning from them, and getting in an online course: is one any better then the other? If in fact in you tried to help any other person train their dog, and only wished you had the technical terms and knowledge to back up what you're doing. Please one persons desire may take them farther then you would ever go to learn the same stuff. I am in an online dog training course and always looking for more info. Thank you for at least letting people make a go for their dreams, not discouraging them.Don't put us down for our opinion. I certainly respect and admire a person's desire to go further. However, most online courses teach very basic ideas/terminology without any practice. Would you go to a mechanic who had no hands on experience? Would you listen to a concert put on by people who just knew music theory but no actual practice playing the instruments? Would you go to a doctor who's only training was book learning? To perfect a skill, one must practice a skill. Dog training is no different. IMO, The best "distance learning" program available is a set of Michael Ellis DVDs, your own dog, and a partnership with a local rescue/humane society as a volunteer trainer so you can "practice" on a wide variety of dogs. Then for more technical info, check out "The Applied Dog Behavior Handbook" series http://leerburg.com/952.htm K-9 Knitter
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Michael Foust wrote 10/13/2011 10:35 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Mara Jessup ] #346934 - 10/13/2011 10:35 PM
Michael Foust Webboard User Reg: 09-04-2011 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	No one has taken a look at what others said about online schools, and hands on was not mentioned in any other comments before I posted concerning online training. I am training a Belgian shepherd (Malinois) And have said that I have trained other dogs. The point is that one needs hands on yes and expert advice. I love the dvd's that help but do they give hands on?
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Michael_Wise wrote 10/13/2011 11:29 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Michael Foust ] #346937 - 10/13/2011 11:29 PM
Michael_Wise Webboard User Reg: 07-10-2006 Posts: 4454 Loc: Arkansas Offline	Online doesn't give hands on, either. YOU physically getting out there and training a dog gives you hands on. No videos or online classes needed for that.:smile: Honestly, when I am seeking a service from someone, I could give a **** to be dazzled by technical jargon. Show me sumpthin'. I think if you can put this all to the side, you'll see that no one here really cares that you are taking online training classes. Share and receive info just like the rest of us here and you'll fit in just fine. Enjoy your classes. Enjoy your life. **** what everyone else thinks.:smile:
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Michael Foust wrote 10/13/2011 11:56 PM Re: dog training employment question [Re: Michael_Wise ] #346938 - 10/13/2011 11:56 PM
Michael Foust Webboard User Reg: 09-04-2011 Posts: 3 Loc: Offline	yea, you do not read.
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