Quote: Connie Sutherland

I recommend 100-200 IU for small dogs and 200-400 IU for big dogs

This is per day, per week or per month?

 Quote: Jose Miguel Gome

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

I recommend 100-200 IU for small dogs and 200-400 IU for big dogs

This is per day, per week or per month?

Hi Jose,
That would be per day...

ok I'm alittle confused about the vit-c and vit-e subject. I presently give 1 teaspoon of ester c tablets, what i do is grind them up to a powder for help in digestion. And 1 400 unit soft liquid gel to each dog dailey do you think this is sufficent? I read that dogs make their own vit- c but not vit-e is that correct or am I wrong?

1 400 unit soft liquid gel to each dog daily, meaning E?

Probably fine. I don't recall the dog sizes, but it's covered earlier in the thread.

Dogs do indeed make their own C but many folks supplement this very useful water-soluble vitamin.

Vitamin E is in shorter dietary supply than it used to be for dogs, again partly going back to the replacement of grain-fed slaughter animals for the grass-fed (and wild) diet of the past.

Additionally, more E is used in processing the PUFAs in fish oil.

got it! thanks, sounds like you have done alot of reading. I guess all we can do is try to be knowledgeable,to try to keep ourselves and our animals healthy,after learning about all the harmones and chemicals etc they have put in our meats and other foods. its no wonder every time ya turn around a human or animal has cancer and or tumors.

If we are using salmon oil for the omegas and antioxidents, Is it better to just go to a oil that is higher in content like flax oil, fishoil or theres a new oil out called quil oil that is suppose to be 3xs or 30xs?? more potent in content. I just want to understand why I'm using the ingredients I am, and not to be because everyone eles is.

 Quote: Debbie Dibble

If we are using salmon oil for the omegas and antioxidents, Is it better to just go to a oil that is higher in content like flax oil, fishoil or theres a new oil out called quil oil that is suppose to be 3xs or 30xs?? more potent in content. I just want to understand why I'm using the ingredients I am, and not to be because everyone eles is.

1. Salmon oil is a fish oil.

2. Did you mean krill oil? I'm not yet convinced that krill oil is being produced by a manufacturer I trust because as far as I know, there is not as yet an international monograph including krill oil like the CRN Voluntary Monograph on Long Chain Omega 3s (on fish oil products). Krill oil is still in its toddler stage, with relatively little oversight/standards. Something to watch, though, IMO.

3. Flax oil: ALA (alpha linoleic acid) is not particularly beneficial to dogs, compared with long-chain Omega 3 EFAs (DHA and EPA). And dogs don't have the ability to convert ALA to long-chain Omega 3s the way humans so. In fact, it's not efficient in humans, either (up to 15% conversion rate). That's why flax and canola, etc., are not what you want for Omega 3 sources for dogs. You want marine sources.

But you're shortchanging yourself by not using flax as a search term here and expanding the date range to, say, 2 years, because there are at least a dozen detailed discussions of why flax oil is far inferior to fish oil when we are trying to supply long-chain 3s.

How much Vit C is recommended for 75-100 lb dogs? Do you like Ester C crushed best? We bought it at Leerburg before, I can't remember price or quantity, but we have 5 dogs to dose, so lower cost/good quality is important.

What fish oil tabs do you recommend and what dosage - same size dogs.

Today we found a supply source from local butcher for beef hearts - 3 hearts and a box of other goodies - #2.00!!!

What are your feelings about bone dust from the saw at the end of the day?

Are beef rib bones good as well? Our butcher does his butchering in the back and has a small store in the front and is 15 minutes from us. He has to pay to have his junk - our treasurers, hauled away!! AND what do you do with the tallow?

WHEW....

Do you like Ester C crushed best? We bought it at Leerburg before, I can't remember price or quantity, but we have 5 dogs to dose, so lower cost/good quality is important.

http://leerburg.com/43.htm


What fish oil tabs do you recommend and what dosage - same size dogs.

I use a liquid. Here's one:
http://leerburg.com/43.htm

Gelcaps cost a bundle with all that extra "packaging" (the capsules).

I use a gram (1000 mg) per ten pounds of dog, and the Grizzly package instructions are pretty close to that, too. Don't forget to give E with the fish oil.

If you treat fish oil carefully, you can take advantage of the savings in the large size bottle.



What are your feelings about bone dust from the saw at the end of the day?

For what use? You mean to supplement calcium? You'll be feeding RMBs, right? They "come with" the calcium just the way it should be.



AND what do you do with the tallow?

Tallow? Isn't that rendered fat? Not fresh fat?

Maybe tallow isn't the right term - it's like suet or strips of fat - fresh.

Your one posting for liquid fish oil came up the Super C. I'm thinking your talking Grizzly Salmon Oil. We do use that, but our dogs have LOTS of hairy beards and it's quite messy and smelly. So I was wondering about a substitue.

Thanks Connie!!