 Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: David Ruby ]
#207417 - 08/26/2008 05:44 PM |
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What you want is a German Shepherd.
What you don't want is a PPD.
It doesn't sound like it'd be fair to the kid, or the dog, given the way you prefer to live with your dogs.
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: Will Rambeau ]
#207427 - 08/26/2008 06:48 PM |
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David - the dog in question was *trained* for those scenarios, it knew every step that was going to occur, and it most likely had been trained with those very decoys.
That looks nice and that's what they show people to sell dogs - but it's not a test.
I see what you are saying. This was a trainer, not somebody trying to sell a dog, actually training a rescue dog in one instance. I think I see what you are saying though; that is the training, having an agitator the dog has never seen or worked with do a test in as non-staged a scenario as possible.
I'm just going to butt out here from here on out, as you're not able to see what I'm saying.
Best of luck!
Hopefully you change your mind. I actually have a decent reading comprehension level.  Seriously though, for what it's worth, I am posting to learn not bully my point across.
-Cheers
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#207432 - 08/26/2008 06:58 PM |
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What you want is a German Shepherd.
What you don't want is a PPD.
It doesn't sound like it'd be fair to the kid, or the dog, given the way you prefer to live with your dogs.
You could be right. For the time-being, my desires and tolerances are compromised by my family situation. I am not claiming to be some expert (I am not), but I do need to be accommodating with my wife's desires (namely a dog that will not drive her nuts), my daughter's needs (a dog that will tolerate her, not blow up at her in an unwarranted fashion), and the dog's (a happy, healthy life). I am more than willing to research & learn as much as I have to and only get as much as my current level of experience will allow. If that means a deterrent dog that will not do live bites, then so be it. If there is a way to get a stable dog that can be taught to be calm and tolerate kids (within reason and with appropriate training), I am willing to do the work involved. If that is a pipe dream, I am not so stupid as to force a square peg into a round hole though.
As an aside, cute dog.
-Cheers
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: David Ruby ]
#207438 - 08/26/2008 07:02 PM |
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Hey David, I bet any dog that has either sport or PP potential is going to drive your wife nuts. Mine drove my wife crazy until he was about 2 1/2.
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However if you want a natural stay at home, pack oriented, territorial protector; I'd look to perhaps the Kuvasz, the Akita, or maybe a Rhodesian Ridgeback.
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#207472 - 08/26/2008 10:48 PM |
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Whatever dog you end up with, please make sure to look into reading up a bit on pack structure, raising pups/adopting adults (working or not) and safety with children.
It kind of stood out at me, but I personally would not allow a child that small to ever be crawling on the floor with the dog that close. I'd either make the dog leave the room, or put it up in it's crate. It's too big of a risk, IMHO
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: Mike J Schoonbrood ]
#207488 - 08/27/2008 01:34 AM |
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Hmmm... I agree wholeheartedly with what many have put here but I have another route to suggest. It sounds like a dog that is more threat/deterrent than bite may serve your purposes well and satisfy your wife. Have you considered a livestock protection breed like a maremma, pyre, or tibetian mastiff?
Usually these are dogs of massive size, give a very very threatening bark, are known for being good with kids in their pack structure (although I'm sure it's debatable), are generally pretty independent, can be pretty reserved or even threatening about strangers with training, and are known for their laid back nature. I've seen a few who were working dogs with sheep and goats and the owners of the farm made it very clear that if strangers or canines would enter their field or home they would quickly regret that entry.
Just a thought,
Melissa
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: David Ruby ]
#207502 - 08/27/2008 09:04 AM |
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You might consider looking at some of the "pet" "old fashion" german shepherds. Calm temoperament with natural instincts for protection. Not bred for show or titles, just to be family companions.
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
[Re: David Ruby ]
#207523 - 08/27/2008 10:42 AM |
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Goldens are nice family dogs!
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Re: Choosing a Calm Non-Sport PP Dog . . .
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#207525 - 08/27/2008 10:49 AM |
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David mentioned that his wife wanted a GSD, he wouldn't mind a GSD, and he wanted to know if there was any reason he SHOULDN'T get a GSD.
My answer is no.
My Schutzhund GSD is a wonderful family dog.
Granted, I'm pretty tolerant to a dog that will launch off of the furniture, charge through, under and around any inanimate object and knock everything off of tables, solely to persue a fly in the house.
My GSD is a one person dog- she is exceptionally sweet to my 4 year old son (supervised), she is affectionate to my husband... but she is undyingly loyal to me. She lays outside the bathroom door, trying to dig through, to get to me.
She does not do this with my son or husband.
I really believe that what David needs/wants is a GSD. Sweet loyal dogs, that tend to bond intensely to one person. The dog will mob you for attention and affection, but be more restrained towards you wife, and content for just a pat and hello from her.
A GSD barking in the yard, is a pretty effective deterrant as well.
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