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#216937 - 11/21/2008 11:01 AM |
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Hey Collin, believe me its nothing personal. It's the same replies you would get on any dog forum and in person from people who have more of an interest in dogs than just owning pets.
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Re: First time breeder
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#216939 - 11/21/2008 11:09 AM |
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Hey Collin, believe me its nothing personal. It's the same replies you would get on any dog forum and in person from people who have more of an interest in dogs than just owning pets.
It's the same that anyone posting here with the same question would get, too.
I applaud the O.P. for asking!
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Re: First time breeder
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#216943 - 11/21/2008 11:31 AM |
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Collin, what many of the people here have said is not to rush into any decisions.
You do not even know the capabilities of your dog and what he can do. He is still a puppy, after all.
TRAIN THE DOG - Get him titled, UD, TD, SCHH. (Not just a CD). Then when he is older step back and take another look, keeping in mind all the while where and what kind of homes the pups will be placed. From what you have just described, there is not a big market for Rottweilers where you live. (And probably not a lot of nice, health cleared, titled bitches to choose from).
In the meantime maybe you can get involved in rescue by supporting financially or fostering a dog or two, so you can see what is involved in placing an unwanted dog (it is a real eye opener, believe me).
Then when all things are considered, you can make a final decision.
I agree with Connie and Steve, probably a lot of working dog people would give you similar information to what you have received.
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#216944 - 11/21/2008 11:37 AM |
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You could train him to a Sch.3 and win every award there is and it still doesnt mean Kingston should be bred. My opinion on this is that you need the knowledge of what comes from the dogs in his pedigree and you can only get that from the breeders,trainers, and owners of those past dogs.
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#216956 - 11/21/2008 01:46 PM |
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The biggest thing I am getting out of this thread is that you need to apply some criteria to determine if Kingston should be bred. Among the criteria are pedigree, titles, adherence to the standard, and health. Then you need to look at Kingston critically and decide if breeding him would help improve the breed.
Question to responders here. If pedigree, titles, health and standard criteria are all met, would it be acceptable to breed Kingston if that would improve the breed in Hawaii? It sounds like it is hard to get dogs into Hawaii. Without good breeding programs run by good breeders I would think dog breeds would just spiral downwards in quality.
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#216958 - 11/21/2008 01:52 PM |
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My reply would still be no Rich. 1- Kingston is only half of the mix. 2-You still don't know what the dogs in his pedigree pass on or the people to learn from.
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#216963 - 11/21/2008 02:48 PM |
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The biggest thing I am getting out of this thread is that you need to apply some criteria to determine if Kingston should be bred. Among the criteria are pedigree, titles, adherence to the standard, and health. Then you need to look at Kingston critically and decide if breeding him would help improve the breed.
Question to responders here. If pedigree, titles, health and standard criteria are all met, would it be acceptable to breed Kingston if that would improve the breed in Hawaii? It sounds like it is hard to get dogs into Hawaii. Without good breeding programs run by good breeders I would think dog breeds would just spiral downwards in quality.
good point rich. I agree with steve. after talkin to the breeder I got Kingston from, there are no significant health probs and stuff, but there are still some questions that need to be answered about dogs further down his line. still, at this point, with the input I have recieved, Kingston will not be bred. again, to create a strong line here in Hawaii and leave no questions to be answered, someone here needs to fork over the cash and bring in quality dogs from the mainland an build from there.
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#216966 - 11/21/2008 03:19 PM |
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The requirements to get a dog into Hawaii are a pain (a sequence of shots, health certificates, strict timeline of travel in relation to the shots/health inspections, etc.), but not a good reason to try to reinvent the breed because it's too hard to import already proven dogs.
One of the best points made during this discussion is that the O.P. simply doesn't know the potential of his dog, good or bad, because the dog has not attended any trials. He definately put the cart before the horse with his "original intentions to breed" the dog. The dog could be a rockstar - the greatest rot on the planet, or he could be a genetic mutant whose hips are going to go bad tomorrow. He simply won't know until he puts the time and work into finding out, which many of the posters here have explained quite effectively.
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#216968 - 11/21/2008 03:29 PM |
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When you speak to the breeder Collin, you should ask what they do with their dogs as far as training and trialing or showing.
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#216970 - 11/21/2008 03:36 PM |
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I did, he only took them to OB skoo. never got any titles for his dogs. further in the line a couple of dags have a CD and one has a ScH I title. he hasnt shown his dogs but again further in his line there was a Ch. if Im not mistaken. but... back to reality, again, Kingston will not be bred. agian.
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