Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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Quote: alyssa myracle
.... Here is a rule of thumb with selecting trainers and training methods that I recommend you apply- if it doesn't feel good in your guy, don't do it. .... If you don't fully understand it, don't do it.
If you have concerns for your safety or the dog's well-being, don't do it.
You mentioned what to do if he does "lash out" at someone. I assume you mean if he attacks. If that is truly a concern you have, my recommendation is to ALWAYS have a drag line on this guy.
I would leave the prong collars, E-collars, etc until later.
Before you can correct a dog in OB training, you have to be sure he truly understands. To be fair to the dog, go back to the very beginning, and start over.
Flat collar or nylon choke and a dragline is all he needs right now. Work on pack structure. If you can truly implement the pack structure, it will have a dramatic effect on his cooperation and biddability during obedience.
And please call an ortho vet (or your own for a referral) and get an eval.
I had a blinking moment when I read something about the female approaching while this dog had a bone. Just want to say again: No toys, treats, food, chewies -- NOTHING -- is left where two dogs have access to each other. Any two dogs, unless the owner has known them both for ten years. In fact, let's lave out all "unless" modifiers.
That is truly setting the dog(s) up for failure.
I imagine that the drag line will help with the anxiety of your GF, but you will really want their interaction, just now as you do this work, to be limited without you right there. (Crate training again.) A human who is afraid around the dog is the wrong atmosphere for the work you want to do. (That part is JMO. But it's from experience.)
I don't like growling, but I don't correct it. It is communication, and it means I need to pay attention to my dog(s) because something is going on that they don't like.
Sorry, trying not to hijack this thread, but this caught my eye.
Should growling never be corrected? When my 13 wk old GSD puppy gets amped up and excited, she'll get bratty and aggressive. Her play nips turn into more aggressive bites and she curls her nose at us (like she's about to start growling). At this point when we can't get her to calm down, we'll give her the alpha shake/cheek grab. Sometimes, though, she'll start growling at us when we do this, which usually results in a harder cheek grab and more low voiced scolding. (Our rule in the house is if we have to give her three of these alpha shakes in a row, she goes in her crate so we both have time to cool off.) But should I not be correcting the growl?
Thanks. I now do not give them any bones when they are together, I always crate her dog and remove the bones when we go to let her out. I will keep you all updated, and thanks!
Are you correcting the growl, or are you correcting the overall obnoxious behavior?
Is the dog expressing uncertainty, aggression, fear or frustration?
At first I'm correcting the obnoxious behavior, but then when she growls, I'm correcting the growl.
As to the second question, I'm not sure. My guess would be aggression, but until I'm better at reading her, I guess I shouldn't correct her for growling. She seems to be a hard dog when it comes to corrections and I think I was afraid that if I didn't correct her, it would turn into a pack leadership issue where she would think it would be okay to growl at me. After reading this thread, though, it looks like not all growls mean the same thing.
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Re: Correction when being aggressive
Just want to say again: No toys, treats, food, chewies -- NOTHING -- is left where two dogs have access to each other. Any two dogs, unless the owner has known them both for ten years. In fact, let's lave out all "unless" modifiers. 
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