 Re: Hips
[Re: Juliana McCabe ]
#234956 - 04/06/2009 10:33 AM |
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Juliana, first off, that sucks royally. Secondly, I don't believe a dog is EVER "beyond Adequan." Adequan is an excellent arthritis treatment, as it keeps the cartilage from wearing down further and keeps the joint lubricated. It won't CURE HD, but to say he's "beyond" it, is IMO, wrong and potentially harmful to Cicero.
I would use it concurrently with whatever treatment you decide on. My vet gave it to me after a surgery to slow the progression of arthritis from the surgery and also to prevent pain.
How far would you be willing to travel to see a stellar surgeon? My ortho/neuro vet patents new surgeries and implants and is always pioneering new treatments. He gets mostly dogs that another vet has screwed up previously.
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[Re: Jenni Williams ]
#234960 - 04/06/2009 10:46 AM |
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I would be willing to travel for a good surgeon when the time comes. At this point I'm not sure that there is reason to make the trip since I won't be doing surgery yet. Even if it was decided that he could have surgery right now I don't think I could do it. I'm in my first year of law school right now and not allowed to work until the summer get here so money is tight. If it had been something that was required right away I would have found a way to do it but if it can wait until he really needs it then I would rather wait.
But when the time comes that he needs surgery I don't think that Illinois is too far (assuming that is where your vet is). I have friends and family in Champaign. Where is your vet located? Does he have a website?
Maybe I will look into the adequan instead of doing supplements (again vet was of the opinion that they don't do much). I am finishing the supplements I have already purchased but unless I see some improvement I will probably stop using them.
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Re: Hips
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#235012 - 04/06/2009 02:35 PM |
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I would do the Adequan for sure. People in other countries use it (naturally, the FDA hasn't approved it HERE yet) and they swear by it in terms of pain relief for arthritis.
Yes, the vet is in IL. Buffalo Grove. His name is Bernard Pare and he is w/Veterinary Specialty Center. He has done 2 major (successful) surgeries on 2 of mine. Both times, another vet had suggested a different path. The first would've left my dog on Prednisone his entire life. Dr. Pare had a totally different diagnosis and after major spinal surgery, the dog is fine several years later. The other one was extensive repair on a puppy's 2 front legs. No one else would even suggest the surgery he ended up doing. One suggested putting the pup down, and others suggested a different approach w/a 50/50 success rate. Complete success; only maintenance is supplements to prevent arthritis from the initial injury and subsequent surgery. You would NEVER know there was ever anything wrong w/the dog's legs. The before, midway, and after xrays are amazing.
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Re: Hips
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#235077 - 04/06/2009 06:57 PM |
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I agree about the Adequan. My old Tiekerhook dog was on Adequan and Legend injections for his shoulder & elbow issues and they allowed him to walk comfortably for a good 18 months. I had a total hip replacement done on this same dog about a year before when he was 10 and that went wonderfully too by the way.
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#235084 - 04/06/2009 07:44 PM |
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I looked at the adequan website just now and saw that there was a canine version. I am assuming that is the one I want I thought it was just for horses. I think I will go this route.
Do you guys know the recommended doses? I know you have to use it more frequently at the beginning and then it's just once a month after that(at least for horses that is). The girls at the desk aren't real knowledgeable and I'm not sure how easy it will be to get the vet on the phone.
Thanks for your help!
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Re: Hips
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#235088 - 04/06/2009 08:07 PM |
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I have only used Adequan Equine. Sorry.
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#235094 - 04/06/2009 08:40 PM |
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Is the equine the one to use? When I said I wanted to go this route I meant adequan in general not specifically the canine variety.
I would think the equine version would last me longer since I could use smaller doses.
What is the dosage for the equine, do you use it for dogs?
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#235098 - 04/06/2009 09:44 PM |
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I can't help you either, sorry. My dog's orthopod administered the loading doses and then all the maintenace doses of both in my dog's case. All I remember is one goes intramuscular and the other had to go in a vein, but I couldn't say which was the Legend and which was the Adequan.
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#235141 - 04/07/2009 09:48 AM |
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Legend is IA, and Adequan comes in both forms. Us the Adequan IM Equine. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I just divided it, assuming a bottle is one shot for a horse. If an average horse is 1000lbs and gets the whole bottle, I figured I'd give Caleb 1/10 of the bottle. It is stronger than the canine version, that much I do remember, and the dosages are quite different.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you for sure if it did any good, b/c I have only used it as a preventative to joint damage b/c Caleb is so big and does so many crazy stunts.
I recommended it to Sarah Morris a long time ago for True, and I think she actually saw marked differences, maybe even on films. Maybe she'll jump in.
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#235182 - 04/07/2009 11:57 AM |
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Jumping in...
Yep, Adequan really helped True. What we saw on the films was no worsening of the HD in either hip. He doesn't limp and he doesn't need pain relief. I use the Adequan Canine, buy it from my vet and give the injections at home. A box contains 2 vials, costs about a $100 and lasts a long time.
The loading dose is twice weekly injections for 4 weeks...then you do it "as needed", which in True's case is once a month. He's roughly 80-85 lbs and his monthly dose is 1cc.
It is worth mentioning that hip strengthening exercises, supplements, and keeping True lean have also played a huge role in maintaining the status quo. The more muscle you can build up in the hips, the better supported they are.
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