Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 08:12 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Robin Sankey ] #238798 - 05/05/2009 08:12 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Robin Sankey ... Yes but the fact that ingredients in the food could lead to upset digestion and diarrhea. Absolutely.
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Robin Sankey wrote 05/05/2009 08:20 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #238800 - 05/05/2009 08:20 PM
Robin Sankey Webboard User Reg: 05-05-2009 Posts: 20 Loc: Toronto ON, Canada Offline	Quote: connie sutherland Yes, I know what meat meal is. "Meal ingredients" threw me off. My bad. The water content of the raw food has nothing to do with the objection to mixing it will kibble. "Nutrition levels and ingredients in the food" don't really, either. QUOTE: You can still serve a food that is mixed with proper nutrition and not up set the digestive process. END I don't know what this means. The comments about mixing raw and kibble were based on the two different rates of digestion and the kibble causing the raw food to take longer to go through the dog than it would on its own, thereby giving any raw-food pathogens time to colonize. It's the colonizing and reproduction of these pathogens that cause illness. Dogs have two defenses against this that humans do not: a more caustic stomach acid and a far shorter, faster digestive system. Just as we would not give antacids to a raw-fed dog, I think we should also not cause the raw food's passage to be slowed in the dog's gut. Yes, of course there are grain-free kibbles. If I fed kibble, I would definitely choose on of them. But I still would not mix it with raw food. I didn't know that about the digestion process! I need to go re-write some notes and research I did - ASAP! Thanks for the helpful information. Not only just Meat meal, though - Chicken meal, fish meal etc... I would not mix raw with dry, my self. I would rather go with a human grade kibble and some supplements Not a big fan of raw food due to some bacteria.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 08:27 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Robin Sankey ] #238801 - 05/05/2009 08:27 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: robin sankey .... Depending on the moisture content and protein content of both products that have a greater or lesser value of each, the food can easily be fed and tolerated. Just have to make sure the dog CAN tolerate it - know what the ingredients are and know how many nutrients should be used in your dogs current weight mass. ...  Quote: robin sankey ... I didn't know that about the digestion process! I need to go re-write some notes and research I did - ASAP! Thanks for the helpful information. Not only just Meat meal, though - Chicken meal, fish meal etc... I would not mix raw with dry, my self. I would rather go with a human grade kibble and some supplements Not a big fan of raw food due to some bacteria. Yes, "chicken" and "fish" are in the "meat" category for the purpose of discussing meat meal in commercial dog food. You might want to start a new thread about choosing your new pup's food (and congratulations!), because we're starting to hijack this one. You might want to read the Leerburg feeding articles, too, on the main Leerburg site, including paragraph #4 at this link: http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm#vet and http://leerburg.com/feedingdogs.htm
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 08:36 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Lynne Barrows ] #238803 - 05/05/2009 08:36 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Lynne Barrows  Quote: Matt Lang Biggest question is: I've got Dante stabilized and doing pretty well right now on a mixture of chicken broth, white rice, cooked ground turkey, a little yogurt and a little pumpkin. My question is, what's the next step to getting him back to a normal diet? Should I start adding in some raw, or canned CA Natural chicken and rice, or kibble, or...?? If you are going to continue to feed raw and kibble (I do this, but they are separated by 12 hours), I would pick one or the other and stick with just one source for food for awhile. So, for example, feed only kibble for both meals. I would continue to add the plain yogurt daily. Once the dog is good with that (like for a couple of weeks), you could try again with the raw, but separate into morning and evening meals. Some dogs will tolerate this schedule, but I have seen many people post here that their dogs will not tolerate a diet of raw and kibble, even when fed at separate times. Once you start with the raw again, pick one protein source and stick with it, until you see that the dog is tolerating it well. Chicken backs are a good one to start with... Matt, have you started a new regimen? How is the dog doing?
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Robin Sankey wrote 05/05/2009 08:38 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Matt Lang ] #238805 - 05/05/2009 08:38 PM
Robin Sankey Webboard User Reg: 05-05-2009 Posts: 20 Loc: Toronto ON, Canada Offline	Thanks again! I've done tons of research and written an assignment on dog food. There are ways to kill bacteria on kibble. Like keeping the kibble in an air tight container. I'm going with Solid Gold for the pup but when older I'm going to try lots of other foods. The only reasons I would not feed a raw diet is because, what if the bones break off into slithers and cut into the intestine tact? What if the food did not do well in refrigeration and salmonella infects the food. lol, last post in this thread! I hope some of the information that spilled will help others.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 09:13 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Robin Sankey ] #238809 - 05/05/2009 09:13 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: robin sankey Thanks again! I've done tons of research and written an assignment on dog food. There are ways to kill bacteria on kibble. Like keeping the kibble in an air tight container. Aerobic and anaerobic bacteria are frequently found together. Anaerobic bacteria is not killed by airtight containers. Aerobic bacteria can indeed be killed by complete lack of air, if you mean sterile, vacuum-sealed containers (and I suspect that you do not). That is, Tupperware does not kill either kind of bacteria, and neither does any other storage container found in the average home.  Quote: robin sankey The only reasons I would not feed a raw diet is because, what if the bones break off into slithers and cut into the intestine tact? What if the food did not do well in refrigeration and salmonella infects the food. These are answered in the links I gave you, except for the "not doing well in refrigeration." Salmonella would be on or in the food pre-refrigeration; salmonella does not spontaneously appear on the food in the refrigerator. P.S. Robin, you may want to do a self-intro/bio post here: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/146/page/1 Edited by Connie Sutherland (05/05/2009 09:17 PM) Edit reason: p.s.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 09:14 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #238810 - 05/05/2009 09:14 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	... and back to you, Matt ....
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Nora Ferrell wrote 05/05/2009 10:41 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #238823 - 05/05/2009 10:41 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	I don't want to hijack here, either, but is it bad to give antacids to a dog?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/05/2009 11:02 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Nora Ferrell ] #238827 - 05/05/2009 11:02 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	On raw, yes, as explained.  Quote: Connie Sutherland Dogs have two defenses against this that humans do not: a more caustic stomach acid and a far shorter, faster digestive system. Just as we would not give antacids to a raw-fed dog, I think we should also not cause the raw food's passage to be slowed in the dog's gut.
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Nora Ferrell wrote 05/05/2009 11:21 PM Re: diarrhea question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #238829 - 05/05/2009 11:21 PM
Nora Ferrell Webboard User Reg: 02-10-2008 Posts: 727 Loc: Kentucky Offline	So, because they have more caustic digestive tract, the antacid will make that worse? Can it hurt them? I ask because my ex has been know to give his boxer tums. I think he feeds her too much and she will sometimes not eat for a meal, but he always thinks she needs something for stomach upset. She is raw fed.
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