Originally posted by VanCamp Robert:
Buy an e-collar, sharpened prong collars suck IMO. I dont see the need to get one at this time. The prong is doing the job. Might get one latter on.

i tried to ignore this thread. really, i did. but, when my blood reaches the boiling point i can be still no longer. chuck, you started this thread because you were having problems and you were looking for advice. some very knowledgeable people have given you that advice: ditch the sharpened prong. instead, you are holding fast to something someone else told you. well, you will mess up your dog if you keep going the way you are. and you will have other issues to deal with as a result of it. i am always the advocate of the dog and i really hate to see this sort of thing happening....you are "correcting" the dog as a result of your own inadaquacy as a trainer. what a shame. especially for an 8 month old puppy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Chuck,
I didn't read the posts close enough to see that you were actually *using* sharpened prongs on an 8 month old dog.

Stop it! You have no business using that type of correction at this stage of the game, and the person that helped you do that is an idiot - and I'd tell them that to their face.
To go to this level of correction on that age dog, because you're not skilled enough to control the dog otherwise is simply abuse. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
If your disability prevents you from giving the dog enough of a correction, well, you have the wrong dog for your body type ( that happens, just like if a small weak person is trying to train a dog that's too powerful for them ) Find a good home for the dog, and go to a breed that you can control.
Or go to a tool like the E collar. But the fact that you feel that you don't need an E collar yet, but you're ok with some fool helping you sharpen prongs on the prong collar ( and by the way, many Animal Control units would issue you a citation for that ) tells me that your dog would be better off in someone elses hands.

I'm closing this thread as we aren't going to start a discussion about animal abuse by the clueless. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />