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I didn't anticipate getting so much great info from this post! I'm glad I posted it. It's certainly helped clarify things. I didn't know anything about show line dogs or conformation shows and I have a much better understanding now (though certainly not an expert). But at least it finally all makes sense now!
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It wouldn't surprise me that there are some links between coat type and temperament just like there is that link proposed between temperament and the liver gene, it is possible though that this is a trait exclusive to collies. It's all generalities though with no actual statistics on the matter, you'll see the same spectrum of canine behavior potential without enough statistics to really come up with averages to say certainly one way or another. I guess I'm just waiting for proof before setting the idea in stone.
One could also make the argument for a calmer dog simply because anyone doing responsible ownership would need to brush a rough coated dog from a young age which requires some calmer behavior training from a puppy.
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Quote: Melissa Thom
It wouldn't surprise me that there are some links between coat type and temperament just like there is that link proposed between temperament and the liver gene, it is possible though that this is a trait exclusive to collies. It's all generalities though with no actual statistics on the matter, you'll see the same spectrum of canine behavior potential without enough statistics to really come up with averages to say certainly one way or another. I guess I'm just waiting for proof before setting the idea in stone.
One could also make the argument for a calmer dog simply because anyone doing responsible ownership would need to brush a rough coated dog from a young age which requires some calmer behavior training from a puppy.
I totally agree. Truthfully, while I have seen some difference in the two collie coats, it's not enough to discourage anyone from getting whichever one they prefer. But, one other possible anwser (other than grooming differences) could be the original jobs of the two varieties. The rough collie was used more to herd and protect sheep while the smooth was used more to drive cattle. Driving cattle would require a dog that was somewhat sharper than sheep herding would.
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Does the rough coats ever throw smooth coats and vica versa?
Or are the lines so fixed that it never happens.
Yes, they do, but it would most often occur in a rough to smooth breeding. I'm not that up on the coat genetics and many breeders do specialize in one coat or the other. I do imagine that some lines are pretty well set in one coat or the other. But, if say a smooth collie breeder has rough coats somewhere in her dogs' background it would certainly be theoretically possible for a smooth to smooth breeding to throw a rough pup (an vice versa, of course).
Okay,
It seems to be agreed that the two lines 'seem' to have different temperaments, true?
So a rough coat breeder has a smothie thrown, would one expect that smoothie to have a different temperament from the rest of the litter?
Let's say any more than one would expect in the range of a litter any ways that is.
I have already said I know zilch about genetics. I don't what is attached to what, what is part of what, or what is a stand alone traint (if there is such a thing). Like I don't know what else I may gain or lose if I, say started breeding GSD's for floppy ears. Just like I'm not sure what would be gained or lost if breeders were to erase completely the long hair from the breed.
However a statement like this: Quote,
"Since there often seems to be somewhat of a personality difference between the longer coats and short coats from those breeds that have different coat length. At least some of the genes that control personality might be in close proximity to the genes that control coat length.
In many breeds, the longer coats (whether actually long or just plush) seem to often go with mellower dogs." end quote.
I don't think can be supported in any shape or form and I'd like it run to ground one way or the other, it either holds water or not.
However a statement like this: Quote,
"Since there often seems to be somewhat of a personality difference between the longer coats and short coats from those breeds that have different coat length. At least some of the genes that control personality might be in close proximity to the genes that control coat length.
In many breeds, the longer coats (whether actually long or just plush) seem to often go with mellower dogs." end quote.
I don't think can be supported in any shape or form and I'd like it run to ground one way or the other, it either holds water or not.
Just so I can be more educated.
I would be curious about this as well as it does not match with my (limited) experience.
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It's certainly helped clarify things. I didn't know anything about show line dogs or conformation shows and I have a much better understanding now (though certainly not an expert). But at least it finally all makes sense now!
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